Star Wars Episode VIII SPOILERS thread

[DaneMcCloud]

For all things Episode VIII related info including spoilers.

The release date is now December 15, 2017.

The Official Synopsis from Star Wars.com

“In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017.”









New footage in Japanese Trailer

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Here is why TLJ SUCKED - EVERYONE wanted the answer to two questions:

1) What has Luke been up to?
2) Why is Rey such a badass?

TLJ said "I don't care what you want, **** you, I'm giving you something else."

Why are people shocked at the response?...

1 was answered in TFA. If it wasn't, that meant Luke knew Han was going to die and let it happen anyway.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've stated this earlier but do you think anyone will be clamoring for a new Star Wars film in 32 years following the further adventures of Poe, Finn and Rey?



No ****ing way.

So?

That doesn't mean they aren't good movies.

Nothing Disney made was going to have the same cultural impact the originals did. Silly to hold them to that standard.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

So?

That doesn't mean they aren't good movies.

Nothing Disney made was going to have the same cultural impact the originals did. Silly to hold them to that standard.

Nothing says you have to defend shitty movies to the death, yet that seems to be a favorite CP media forum activity.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Nothing says you have to defend shitty movies to the death, yet that seems to be a favorite CP media forum activity.

As is shitting on them until you're blue in the face.

Darkness rises, and light to meet it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Nothing Disney made was going to have the same cultural impact the originals did. Silly to hold them to that standard.

Yet you wanted to bet $500 dollars that this film would exceed $1.5 billion dollars.

You're moving the goalposts.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yet you wanted to bet $500 dollars that this film would exceed $1.5 billion dollars.

You're moving the goalposts.

In Australian dollars, it did!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

In Australian dollars, it did!

[Hammock Parties]

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

While every deal is structured differently, no one out of possibly Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher are seeing backend from TLJ.

For Rogue One, no one was given back end and no one was paid more than $500,000 dollars for their role.

Now, if you're Mark Wahlberg or The Rock or Robert Downey, Jr or Tom Cruise, sure, they're getting Producer Credits and back end.

But Daisy Ridley or John Boyega? Highly doubtful.



I'm not sure I follow. Disney isn't reporting the box office grosses. Those are being reported by sources like The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Box Office Mojo, etc.

Also, the other thing to keep in mind is that while Disney's terms for Domestic Exhibitors is pretty tough, Disney still only receives 65% of the Domestic Box Office and after 4 weeks, that number usually favors the Exhibitor even more (I haven't seen any terms but after 4 weeks, that percentage is reduced in favor of the Exhibitor).

After 4 weeks, TLJ earned $580 million domestically, $377 million of which goes to Disney and the remaining $203 (plus concessions) is shared by the movie theater chains.

Throw in marketing and a little "Studio Accounting" and it's easy to see why very few actors receive Revenue Participation.

thanks for the info

How does anyone trust the studios to be honest?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

thanks for the info

How does anyone trust the studios to be honest?

Generally speaking, movie stars, just like songwriters, producers and artists, have Audit Rights, which must be exercised within 3 years.

That said, the finance departments for film, especially, can often be “creative” with their write offs, which is why many don’t see much backend percentage, even with successful movies.

Back when I was at Paramount, I hired a Controller that was formerly with Disney film finance and some of the stories were crazy.

Spoiler!

I’m pretty sure that I’ve share this before but Disney made the original Pirates of the Caribbean film a “loser” in order to avoid paying back end to Johnny, even though it grossed $650 million.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Generally speaking, movie stars, just like songwriters, producers and artists, have Audit Rights, which must be exercised within 3 years.

That said, the finance departments for film, especially, can often be “creative” with their write offs, which is why many don’t see much backend percentage, even with successful movies.

Back when I was at Paramount, I hired a Controller that was formerly with Disney film finance and some of the stories were crazy.

Spoiler!

I’m pretty sure that I’ve share this before but Disney made the original Pirates of the Caribbean film a “loser” in order to avoid paying back end to Johnny, even though it grossed $650 million.

I can tell you this from personal experience: Certain studios ALWAYS deliver statements that are wrong. ALWAYS. And if you don’t correct the Byzantine mistakes then they just pocket the money until a final settlement.

Them: Here is your statement, we owe you $X.

Me: But the statement is all wrong, you owe 5x that amount.

Them: [Blank Stare]

Me: [Squinty Eyes]

Them: Ohhhhhh! You’re right! How did we miss that?


Others will short pay on purpose with the end goal of using a percentage to litigate and still pay less than is owed. More than one studio head has famously said that litigation is a legitimate revenue stream.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Better than bad doesn't equal good.

Both films had excellent casting, direction, dialog, set pieces, VFX and cinematography.

While TFA was a Beat-for-Beat remake of A New Hope, The Last Jedi went off the rails and basically destroyed the Star Wars Galaxy canon.

If everyone can access The Force, why didn't Tarkin or Krennic or Mon Mothma use The Force?

Why were Baze Malbus and Chirrut Inwe "Guaridans of the Whills" if everyone can use The Force?

Why was an entire moon dedicated to the Jedi (Jedha) if everyone has access to The Force?

Between RJ changing the rules of The Force and his dopey "Holdo Maneuver", not to mention Finn, Poe and Rose's useless side mission, the wasted characters of Snoke and Captain Phasma, the entire movie is just a gigantic "**** You" to the original trilogy.

Yes.

Yes it did.

Wait/wut?

It certainly destroyed whatever hullabaloo JJ was trying to construct, thank god.

Now, let's discuss the force.

You have, in the past, lamented the PT, because of the way it treated the force( Midichlorians ). And you absolutely stated that one of the reasons that you liked the OT and the force in particular, was because "ANYONE could have it". Those were your EXACT WORDS.


See what's happening here, is that the movies, and Johnson's story in particular, aren't jiving with your conceptions and/or how you have digested the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, respectively.
If ANYTHING, those two vehicles should NOT be held to any kind of guidepost standard in regards to what constitutes the movie galaxy/canon. Those things are sideshows for kids, and they tend to handle things in a manner that a child of Disney-esque "rearing" can digest.
The bottom line here is that JJ simply "made a SW movie", and pretty damned weak one at that.
Johnson, on the other hand, mercifully shit-kicked JJ's lack of vision out the airlock, drew heavily on long-accepted EU concepts, and told a story that hurt many fast-food brained asses, while simultaneously cutting through a pile of disorganized shit and finally drop-kicking our two main characters( Rey and Ren )in to the limelight where the remaining story will be based around THEIR relationships and the outcome which will determine the fate of the galaxy at-large.

EVERYONE was told at the beginning:

The OT folks are here( story-wise )to pass the torch; nothing more, nothing less. This was NEVER intended to be about THEM. Ford got his long-wanted wish, and Hamill went out in a final showdown and act of sacrifice that was absolutely befitting of a Jedi Master who had suffered great loss.

I'm done with this shit.

Mark my words:

By the time Episode 9 is in the can and has been viewed by the masses, The Last Jedi will be looked upon in an ENTIRELY different light by the people who are currently displeased with it.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Last Jedi went off the rails and basically destroyed the Star Wars Galaxy canon.

If everyone can access The Force, why didn't Tarkin or Krennic or Mon Mothma use The Force?

Why were Baze Malbus and Chirrut Inwe "Guaridans of the Whills" if everyone can use The Force?

Why was an entire moon dedicated to the Jedi (Jedha) if everyone has access to The Force?

When did it (TLJ) say that everyone could be a "force user"? Having access to the force and using the force are two completely different things. It reafirmed that the force surrounds all living things, but i still get the impression that only some are able to "wield" it. How does this go against the canon of the original trilogy?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by temper11

When did it (TLJ) say that everyone could be a "force user"? Having access to the force and using the force are two completely different things. It reafirmed that the force surrounds all living things, but i still get the impression that only some are able to "wield" it.

Some? In the past two movies, we've seen two "nobodies" wield The Force: Rey and the kid at the end of the movie.

That's exactly what RJ has done: Democratization of The Force.

You no longer need to be anyone "special" or anyone of special lineage.

Originally Posted by temper11

How does this go against the canon of the original trilogy?

The Jedi identified children that could use The Force at a very young age, brought them to the Jedi Temple and trained them.

Now, you've got Rey, the kid at the end and who knows who else.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And frankly, Snoke( Emperor minion whose past was introduced in at least one of the novels between films; he was just a kid that Palpatine half-assed "trained" and set to watch over a private storehouse on Jakku ) and Phasma( super-trooper, genetic enhancements(?)) aren't the most interesting or even IMPORTANT characters in the grand scheme of things.

This was ALL ABOUT getting Ren and Rey to their respective positions as the only two force-wielding avatars of the dark and light respectively. Yes, Leia still exists at the end of TLJ, but "Leia the force-wielder" was never meant to be a centerpiece in the grand struggle of light vs. dark. It was never that way in the EU, and it won't be that way in the new canon, either.

Especially now that Carrie Fisher has left us. I'm pretty interested to see how THAT is going to play out, to say the least.