Chiefs Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition) - Page 233

TLO · 01-19-2020, 07:03 PM

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

DJ's left nut · 01-26-2020, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Oh I agree. I’m just saying the defense isn’t to blame for that. That’s a failure of ST, not the defense.

This has to be his last year. He’s been pretty bad. Hope he can ride into the sunset with a Super Bowl ring and we can forget about how his last season actually went.

Yeah - the issue isn't what he can do when everything goes right. He's no different than an aging slugger in that regard - when Albert Pujols puts one on the barrel, it still goes a long way.

The problem is that when things go wrong or even only kinda right, the result is just a fly ball to the warning track instead of a screamer into the gap. His mediocre is bad now. And his mediocre is a hell of a lot more common than it used to be.

When Colquitt has time/space and hits the ball true, he still hits it damn near as well as he used to. But his margin for error is just too small for a game that moves this fast. If you look at him as the punter version of Phillip Rivers, you're not far off. Both guys have seen their floors plummet while their instances at their ceilings have fallen off commensurately.

A8bil · 01-26-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're about to see a master-class in 'window dressing' from two guys who have practically re-created it.

The scripted plays especially are gonna blow some minds, IMO.

Ultimately I feel bad for both defenses in this game. They are going to have to maintain a level of mental acuity that is going to really hamper the kind of aggression they're going to want to be playing with. I suspect they'll play this entire game feeling like one of those police dogs stuck in the back of the SUV when shit's going down. They'll see what's going on and be chomping at the bit to use all that training and ferocity they've been building for years.

But man, until a handler throws the door open, all that ferocity is going to do is get them in trouble.

If either of these teams is forced to become one-dimensional, you're gonna see the door fly open and hall hell break lose because these guys are going to see an opportunity to get out there and do what they were trained to do.

Shit'll get real in a hurry.

One of the 49er games that had me scratching my head was the Ravens' game. Usually, when you have a QB running the read option, you have your DE keep contain on the QB and let your LBs take the RB. Saleh had the 49ers' DE's crashing down on the RB, leaving Jackson free to run or pass. Seemed crazy, as he was the biggest threat in their offense. He went for at least a couple quarters without adjusting to it. Would love to hear his explanation.

duncan_idaho · 01-26-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil

SF uses Ford different than you guys did. Ford may only play 25-30 downs, so he'll be fresher and more impactful on the downs he plays. Bosa is the better player, but the 49ers stats show that the pass rush is its most effective when Ford is in the game. They are more pedestrian when Ford is not playing.

BTW, thank you for the good posts. You seem knowledgeable. I've enjoyed the discourse.

If the 49ers only use Ford on obvious passing downs, like they have been, they’re going to have an awfully hard time pressuring Mahomes on 1st down. KC will throw the hell out of the ball on first down and use it to get ahead of the Chains.

If you don’t use Ford on early downs, it’s going to minimize his role a lot. If you do use him on early downs, KC will likely adjust by running right at him and also trying to take advantage of his aggressiveness through screens and reverses.

tredadda · 01-26-2020, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

49ers dominated both of their playoff games and they are ranked high in the season stats for both defense and offense. They're a damn good team and it's gonna be a real challenge for the Chiefs. I just hope KC does not make some of the stupid mistakes we have seen throughout this season. 49ers are good enough that you do not want to help them with fumbles, allowing blocked punts, etc.

Of course they can beat the Chiefs if we don’t play our game. They did beat the 6 seed like they were supposed to, but if you look at the GB game they beat the Packers as much as the Packers beat themselves. I am not trying to discredit them, just stating that they are not the juggernaut they are being portrayed and they were a few close calls from not even making the playoffs. Close calls that at some point in time will work against them.

The Chargers come to mind when thinking about that. They went 12-4 last year winning a lot of close games. It didn’t happen this year and their record reflected it. That could happen in this game as well for SF.

Imon Yourside · 01-26-2020, 01:52 PM

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-26-2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil

You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?

Hrmm...durrrrr....hurrrr

I really don't know but it may have had something to do with a blocked punt for a TD, a broken play for a long bomb TD and a muffed punt that put the texans in scoring range immediately.

did you even watch the game? Its not their scheme was exposed or their whole defense collapsed. It was literally just a string of flukey plays and a couple of drops on offense.....and two of the 3 crazy plays were special teams...

staylor26 · 01-26-2020, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Hrmm...

I really don't know but it may have had something to do with a blocked punt for a TD, a broken play for a long bomb TD and a muffed punt that put the texans in scoring range immediately.

did you even watch the game? Its not their scheme was exposed or their whole defense collapsed. It was literally just a string of flukey plays and a couple of drops on offense.....and two of the 3 crazy plays were special teams...

This has been explained to these bundle of stickss several times yet here we are again.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-26-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

This has been explained to these pillowbitergots several times yet here we are again.

its almost as if they don;t undertsand football at all and have never watched any chiefs games

oh wait some of them admitted to not watching any

A8bil · 01-26-2020, 02:25 PM

Sorry, yes some big errors by ST. I did watch a lot of that game but i forgot how good the Texans field position was after the muffed punt.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-26-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil

Sorry, yes some big errors by ST. I did watch a lot of that game but i forgot how good the Texans field position was after the muffed punt.

RunKC · 01-26-2020, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil

SF uses Ford different than you guys did. Ford may only play 25-30 downs, so he'll be fresher and more impactful on the downs he plays. Bosa is the better player, but the 49ers stats show that the pass rush is its most effective when Ford is in the game. They are more pedestrian when Ford is not playing.

BTW, thank you for the good posts. You seem knowledgeable. I've enjoyed the discourse.

Yes but here’s the thing. We pass the ball 90% of the time. We only ran 30 running plays in 2 playoff games and some of that was to bleed clock at the end being up multiple scores.

I would treat every single play as a pass play

A8bil · 01-26-2020, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Wait...I'll give you a KC Fan response: Alexcuses!!! LOL

A8bil · 01-26-2020, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yes but here’s the thing. We pass the ball 90% of the time. We only ran 30 running plays in 2 playoff games and some of that was to bleed clock at the end being up multiple scores.

I would treat every single play as a pass play

Yeah, I'm not sure how they will use Ford in this game. Just know how they have used him during the season. That clip of Ford defending the run while he was on KC is just hilarious. Looked like a pop warner player whose parents were forcing him to play football.

DRM08 · 01-26-2020, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil

It's the plays against the Colts defense, and what he did vs. the 49ers in that last clip that are the most worrisome. How do you defend that?

You injure him. That's what the Colts did after he pulled that play on them.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-26-2020, 02:49 PM

Dee Ford is a pussy and a reerun. The only thing he ever did for the Chiefs was give us a second round pick.

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