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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
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OP UPDATE: Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! Last edited by Dante84; 05-17-2017 at 09:40 AM.. |
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Well....any QB would be better if they built the team AROUND him. Meanwhile, there's actual QB's in this league that don't require that prerequisite, that can legitimately play in any system and still be a force multiplier. And if you can't be that, then you don't belong in the conversation with those other QB's.
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We're talking about a high school offense here. Not saying they'd need to reinvent the wheel. Quote:
Thank you. It's a pretty simple concept. If we swapped Allen for Mahomes we'd definitely start running more designed QB runs. If the Bucs swapped Brady for Mahomes they'd certainly start running some RPOs. |
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If you have to change the team, then "take any team" does not apply. Because it's clearly not "any team", it's a team tailored to Jackson. That should be a simple concept. Mahomes and Allen don't require a scheme specifically for them. They can run any scheme. QB designed runs etc are wrinkles that the scheme adds to take advantage of their ability, but they aren't DEPENDENT on a specific scheme for them to have success. Lamar Jackson isn't coming into KC and hitting his 3rd read like Mahomes does. He's not launching 50 yard deep balls in perfect place like Allen does. Those two guys can legit play in any system, they don't need specific offenses to have success, like Lamar does. Those guys can ACTUALLY take any team to the playoffs. Lamar does not belong in that conversation. The statement was, "Take any team to the playoffs" not "Take any team to the playoffs with enough tweaks, scheme and roster turnover".
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IF your argument is, "Lamar can take any team to the playoffs so long as they build around his skillset", well yeah. Sure.
That's kind of a "no shit". Hell, the 49ers made Jimmy Grapes into a SB QB.
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Mahomes and Allen could walk into Detroit and instantly improve their passing game with out changing their scheme. They don't have to rewrite the playbook for those guys. They can come in and run Detroit's scheme.
Can Lamar Jackson walk into Detroit and improve their passing game w/o significantly altering their scheme? No? Ok. Then he doesn't belong in that same conversation. There's a clear difference there. There's a few guys who can legit turn any team into a contender without requiring a complete fundamental shift in offense. Then there's guys like Lamar who, yeah, if you change everything for him, can have success.
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Yup.
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I would honestly put Herbert in that conversation before Lamar
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You're being disingenuous. I never said anything about roster turnover and I certainly never implied Jackson was on Allen or Mahomes' level. In fact, I explicitly mentioned that Allen and Mahomes could go anywhere with no caveats and see instant success , while being sure to note that Jackson would need a change in scheme to realize his full potential. At this point I'm wondering if you even read my initial post in the thread. You wouldn't even need a massive scheme change for a lot of teams. Just throw in some more options here and there, plus Lamar scrambling on a fair amount of pass plays is going to result in more good than bad. Raiders, Texans, Lions, Falcons, doesn't matter. |
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Why? Dude is already in a great position. He's got two good-great WRs, one of the best dual-threat RBs in the league, a good OL and a talented defense. And he's just barely obtained a winning QB record for his career. |
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Both of those WRs are hurt. His OL is hurt. His defense has multiple injuries. His HC is not an NFL HC. Not to mention a Herbert himself has been playing hurt for the majority of the season. You aren't giving the Ravens enough credit as a team and organization. Also, regardless of the disappointment, the Chargers are still a "playoff contender". They're currently still a playoff team. |
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The point of the Mahomes/Allen comparisons is that there really are a few QB's in the league that can do what you described. Lamar ain't one of them. If you have to change the team and the scheme, then it really isn't "any" team, as in, the current state in which it's constructed. Megatron laid it out well. Without changing what the Lions do, can Lamar come in and lead a dynamic passing attack there? No. The answer is no. That specific Lions team, as it is presently constructed no.
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