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Mile High Mania · 05-22-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Do you think Eli is a HOF qb?

I don’t know, the case can be made. It's going to be hard to keep out a lot of QBs from the last 20 years, quite honestly - it's all so stats driven.

BlackOp · 05-22-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I don’t know, the case can be made. It's going to be hard to keep out a lot of QBs from the last 20 years, quite honestly - it's all so stats driven.

If that's the case...Charles should be a 1st ballot. It's NAME driven....

Mile High Mania · 05-22-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

If that's the case...Charles should be a 1st ballot. It's NAME driven....

Trust me, I didn't say that as if it was a great thing... this last 20 years is going to put a lot of WRs and QBs in there that had great numbers, but were just good players. But, they pass that good ol' longevity test that many ding Davis for, so what can you do?

TEX · 05-22-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Trust me, I didn't say that as if it was a great thing... this last 20 years is going to put a lot of WRs and QBs in there that had great numbers, but were just good players. But, they pass that good ol' longevity test that many ding Davis for, so what can you do?

Speaking of which, does Andre Johnson get in?

**Rain Man** · 05-22-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Trust me, I didn't say that as if it was a great thing... this last 20 years is going to put a lot of WRs and QBs in there that had great numbers, but were just good players. But, they pass that good ol' longevity test that many ding Davis for, so what can you do?

It seems to me that the obvious solution to that is that you're comparing the players only to their peers. If their numbers are high compared to guys 20 years ago, but average compared to guys they played against, then they're not legitimate Hall of Famers. The rule changes are going to up the requirements significantly for the offensive skill position players.

Compared to players in the 20s, Matt Cassel is a Hall of Famer. But compared to his peers, not so much.

**jjchieffan** · 05-29-2019, 07:55 AM

Chris Harris got a raise, but not an extension. The Donks bumped him up from $8.9 million to $12 million for this year and he's still a free agent at the end of the season. That seems like an odd move. He's a good corner. Why not extend him?

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-29-2019, 08:24 AM

He's about done. Probably the last quality year for he and Von was last year and the team was a shit show. They actually got WORSE this off season

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-29-2019, 09:48 AM

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He's about done. Probably the last quality year for he and Von was last year and the team was a shit show. They actually got WORSE this off season

Oh come on, don't you feel awed and sense the presence of great winning when you gaze upon the awesome visage of a coach like Vic Fangio???

Those guys are just getting warmed up! Yep, it's time for a second wind (pfffffffft.. pfft) for ol' Von and Harris!

Coochie liquor · 05-29-2019, 09:51 AM

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He's about done. Probably the last quality year for he and Von was last year and the team was a shit show. They actually got WORSE this off season

No way, I read on the mange that their rebuild is almost complete and they’re about to knock us out of the division lead. I tried to tell em that they’re in purgatory because Failway can’t pick a decent qb. They insist Lockweiler is the answer. Must be because they’ve had a whole lotta fail since Manning rode off into the sunset.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-29-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

No way, I read on the mange that their rebuild is almost complete and they’re about to knock us out of the division lead. I tried to tell em that they’re in purgatory because Failway can’t pick a decent qb. They insist Lockweiler is the answer. Must be because they’ve had a whole lotta fail since Manning rode off into the sunset.

I'm not sure I buy the Osweiller/Lock comparisons. Lock actually has an arm.

BlackOp · 05-29-2019, 12:45 PM

Drafting Lock put the Donkos behind the curve, IMO. He's isn't a very accurate QB but his arm strength is what got him drafted.

History says your accuracy isn't going to suddenly improve against stiffer competition. I wouldn't get my hopes up...

Horseface passed on him twice...took a late 2nd round flyer on him. While he might be applauded for getting good value...all it did was add a few more years to their purgatory.

They likely arent going to draft a QB next year because of Lock....and there are better options in 2020. They are stuck in 6-10 to 8-8 range with Flacco. That will put them out of range for a top QB unless they go all in.

Maybe they ride Lock next year (2020) and tank for Trevor Lawrence...that would be their best option with Mahomes in the division. They are going to have be the worst team in football to get a shot at him...nobody is trading out of #1 that year.

**BossChief** · 05-29-2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm not sure I buy the Osweiller/Lock comparisons. Lock actually has an arm.

Lock reminds me of Cutler a lot more than Osweiler.

Pablo · 05-29-2019, 06:01 PM

It's just because it's plain to see that Lock is going to be a turd bust like Brock was. Shit coaching when he was a kid probably doomed him. Or the fact that he played for a turd program may have ****ed him over. Or maybe it's because he got drafted into an abortion factory. Whatever it was he's going to suck hard in the NFL.

Coochie liquor · 05-29-2019, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I'm not sure I buy the Osweiller/Lock comparisons. Lock actually has an arm.

So osweilers best collegiate season he had more passing yards than lock in his best season. Although Lock has almost double the td’s his best season. But it’s hard to argue arm strength currently. In my mind Failway hasn’t shown me the ability to find and draft and talent. So until proven otherwise, Lock is Lockweiler to me.

Halfcan · 06-05-2019, 11:41 AM

With the Chief's new defensive staff focusing on shutting down our porous running lanes from last year, it is going to be harder for the Donks to keep up this year. They won't be able to count on huge running plays to keep their offense out on the field like they did last year. It is all going to be on Flacco's shoulders to go head to head with the NFL MVP and beat him twice in shootouts.

I think the worst news for teams in the AFC West this offseason- was the complete rebuild of the Chief's defense.

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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $4605267	Drafting Lock put the Donkos behind the curve, IMO. He's isn't a very accurate QB but his arm strength is what got him drafted. History says your accuracy isn't going to suddenly improve against stiffer competition. I wouldn't get my hopes up... Horseface passed on him twice...took a late 2nd round flyer on him. While he might be applauded for getting good value...all it did was add a few more years to their purgatory. They likely arent going to draft a QB next year because of Lock....and there are better options in 2020. They are stuck in 6-10 to 8-8 range with Flacco. That will put them out of range for a top QB unless they go all in. Maybe they ride Lock next year (2020) and tank for Trevor Lawrence...that would be their best option with Mahomes in the division. They are going to have be the worst team in football to get a shot at him...nobody is trading out of #1 that year. Last edited by BlackOp; 05-30-2019 at 12:03 AM..
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Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $159356	It's just because it's plain to see that Lock is going to be a turd bust like Brock was. Shit coaching when he was a kid probably doomed him. Or the fact that he played for a turd program may have ****ed him over. Or maybe it's because he got drafted into an abortion factory. Whatever it was he's going to suck hard in the NFL.
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Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	With the Chief's new defensive staff focusing on shutting down our porous running lanes from last year, it is going to be harder for the Donks to keep up this year. They won't be able to count on huge running plays to keep their offense out on the field like they did last year. It is all going to be on Flacco's shoulders to go head to head with the NFL MVP and beat him twice in shootouts. I think the worst news for teams in the AFC West this offseason- was the complete rebuild of the Chief's defense.
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