The Pioli Watch Thread

[cardken]

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I actually think Penz was the only one proclaiming Dorsey a bust.

I was the one who said he is a bust

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by EyePod

Good point. The only thing is that Albert was changing a position, so everyone was ready to give him a little more leeway and didn't expect him to come in with barely any experience and be pretty freaking dominant. I don't have an argument for Flowers though.

Damn right you don't. Chiefs CB's are ahead of the curve, and on their way to Monsterness.

This ****in' Bowe cat though... Assuming we get a better QB, that dude better jump a few levels in 2009. And don't tell me I'm supposed to be impressed with a 1000-yards; this isn't 1982.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by EyePod

OK, I agree with you. I still think that they're giving him something easier to do at first because he's a rookie. This past year was used to learn the defensive schemes, get used to the game, etc. This offseason is now used to better his technique because the easier things are 2nd nature.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I'm not attacking you personally, but if that is true, the defensive coaches are reeruned and need to be ejected post haste. If you draft a kid that high based on a set standard of skills, then use those skills to your advantage when he gets to your team, and don't try and re-invent the wheel. Players drafted in the top 5 are thought to be NFL ready, or more so than those taken later. Getting used to the NFL game should not be an issue after X amount of time. That certainly wouldn't warrant taking an entire season just to get used to the feel of the game, especially out of position. The Niners made the same mistake with Alex Smith - they took a spread option QB number one overall, and tried to make him a drop back passer. With the possible exception of the year he had with Norv Turner, that experiment failed miserably. If you are going to take a QB whose strength is running a spread attack with the top pick, then your offense had best be formatted to run a spread attack. The sae with Dorsey - if you are going to take a quick, powerful gap attacking defensive tackle that high, you'd be best served playing him in that same role in the pros, and let him get used to playing where he excels while getting used to the NFL.

Again, nothing personal on you. I just get annoyed when people start talkin up Dorsey as a bust when he wasn't used correctly.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How often did he collapse the pocket? Did he stuff the run? He was part of a unit that was the worst in NFL history as well as Chiefs history. A top 5 pick and supposedly best player in the draft is supposed to elevate those around him. He was part of the problem. Does it mean he can't turn things around, no. To say he had a good year because he has a few tackle stats on a team that gave up around 5 ypc and couldn't get off the field is an abuse of stats.

Are you kidding me? Those tackle numbers are ridiculous for a rookie DT. I would agree that we may have hoped for some more pressure out of him, but it's a lot easier to block on the inside when you can single on the outside! Our DE's are so bad that they can be taken care of single-handedly, so there's more linemen in the middle who can block Glenn.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How often did he collapse the pocket? Did he stuff the run? He was part of a unit that was the worst in NFL history as well as Chiefs history. A top 5 pick and supposedly best player in the draft is supposed to elevate those around him. He was part of the problem. Does it mean he can't turn things around, no. To say he had a good year because he has a few tackle stats on a team that gave up around 5 ypc and couldn't get off the field is an abuse of stats.

No.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I'm not attacking you personally, but if that is true, the defensive coaches are reeruned and need to be ejected post haste. If you draft a kid that high based on a set standard of skills, then use those skills to your advantage when he gets to your team, and don't try and re-invent the wheel. Players drafted in the top 5 are thought to be NFL ready, or more so than those taken later. Getting used to the NFL game should not be an issue after X amount of time. That certainly wouldn't warrant taking an entire season just to get used to the feel of the game, especially out of position. The Niners made the same mistake with Alex Smith - they took a spread option QB number one overall, and tried to make him a drop back passer. With the possible exception of the year he had with Norv Turner, that experiment failed miserably. If you are going to take a QB whose strength is running a spread attack with the top pick, then your offense had best be formatted to run a spread attack. The sae with Dorsey - if you are going to take a quick, powerful gap attacking defensive tackle that high, you'd be best served playing him in that same role in the pros, and let him get used to playing where he excels while getting used to the NFL.

Again, nothing personal on you. I just get annoyed when people start talkin up Dorsey as a bust when he wasn't used correctly.

I never said he was a bust! I agree wholeheartedly with playing to a player's strengths. This is why I couldn't understand why we didn't make any changes with our defensive scheme like we did with our offensive scheme.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I never said he was a bust! I agree wholeheartedly with playing to a player's strengths. This is why I couldn't understand why we didn't make any changes with our defensive scheme like we did with our offensive scheme.

I wan't accusing you of that, it was more of a broad generalization of people who are down on the kid. I have no doubt he'll be a force in the nFL one day. I'm hoping it's with the Chiefs.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Based on YOUR expectations.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn't expect a kid who is playing out of position and getting double teamed because he's playing next to Jason ****ing Babin to do any more than he did.

I guess guys like Sapp and Haynesworth were disappointing too.

After the Sims, Freeman and Siavii experience, I think a lot of our fans are expecting a little too much out of Dorsey. He is only one guy, and can't make up for the weakness of the whole DL.

IMO, he would have probably been even more effective had Jared Allen still been occupying the RDE spot. Could be wrong, but that is how I see it.

[the Talking Can]

i'm sure this is a repost, but is's a good read...wish we had this kind of coverage in KC

Reiss answers a bunch of reader questions in depth, and makes clear that he believes Pioli will end up in KC..several pages

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...eiss/01_13_09/

This week's mailbag is focused on the coaching staff, and how the Patriots will fill the void left by offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels' departure to become Denver Broncos head coach.
Ask Reiss: Patriots Mailbag

* Submit a question for the next Ask Reiss mailbag
* Check out Mike's 'Reiss's Pieces' Patriots blog

With the Patriots also not expected to have special teams coach Brad Seely and special assistant/secondary coach Dom Capers returning in 2009 - and vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli possibly being hired to run the Kansas City Chiefs' football operation - the Patriots are looking at some significant holes.

Thus, the complexion of the team's offseason has changed a bit, putting some added pressure on head coach Bill Belichick to make important off-field decisions.

On to the questions. …

Mike, any idea about who are potential replacements for McDaniels at offensive coordinator?
Matt

A: I can only hypothesize, Matt, as I don't have any concrete answers about potential replacements. The first thing I'd say is that I don't think the Patriots' system will change, so the new coordinator is going to have to adjust to what is in place. That's why a notable name like a Mike Martz wouldn't likely be on the radar and also why I think an internal hire - or someone with a background in the team's system - is most likely. I'd think that receivers coach Bill O'Brien might be a possibility, and I wouldn't rule out Bill Belichick taking a more active role on offense. In addition to losing McDaniels as a coordinator, the Patriots must also replace his work with quarterbacks, which is a consideration here as well. Scot Loeffler, a former Michigan assistant who was with the Lions and was just hired as a quarterbacks coach at Florida, was someone the Patriots had expressed interest in the past. This is purely speculation on my part, but I wonder if he might still be a consideration for that type of QB role.

I was curious about the process by which Josh McDaniels was hired in Denver. Judging from Belichick's comments, it seems like he's been given the blessing of the organization on the way out. This seems to be more along the lines of the Crennel departure and opposite to the Mangini departure. I vaguely remember Belichick not wanting Mangini to take the Jets job because better opportunities would come up. Was Belichick just sour on the Jets organization (understandably, considering how he left them), because the Jets are in the same division or because he felt that Mangini wasn't ready and was trying to look out for him? In the same breath, does that mean that 32-year-old McDaniels is more ready than Mangini was at 35? Or is it because Belichick respects the Broncos organization that much more?
Walter, WorcesterContinued...

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

After the Sims, Freeman and Siavii experience, I think a lot of our fans are expecting a little too much out of Dorsey. He is only one guy, and can't make up for the weakness of the whole DL.

IMO, he would have probably been even more effective had Jared Allen still been occupying the RDE spot. Could be wrong, but that is how I see it.

No, you're completely right. They would have to put extra blockers on JA instead of Dorsey.

[Craqhead]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I said "Raging crackhead". "Raging".



Get...Herm...the ****...out of the way. Assuming he's a "sticking point" in this negotiation.

Tamato... TAmoto

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'm sure this is a repost, but is's a good read...wish we had this kind of coverage in KC

Reiss answers a bunch of reader questions in depth, and makes clear that he believes Pioli will end up in KC..several pages

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...eiss/01_13_09/

Yeah, we saw this earlier.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

After the Sims, Freeman and Siavii experience, I think a lot of our fans are expecting a little too much out of Dorsey. He is only one guy, and can't make up for the weakness of the whole DL.

Good post, Ed.

[FringeNC]

What happens with Dorsey if we go to a 3-4?

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

What happens with Dorsey if we go to a 3-4?

He'd be useless. He's to big for the DE position and much too small for the nose tackle. That's my big worry about signing Pioli. If we do, will he go with a 3-4 coach?