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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
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07-12-2022, 02:12 PM | #33331 |
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I'd put Carr above Lamar Jackson, and Carr is a peter puffer. Both are mental midgets who collapse under pressure, but at least Carr can throw the ball well enough to be a middling QB in the NFL. Jackson throws the ball like a drunk guy who has Cerebral Palsy.
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Lamar is going to give you 150 carries for 1,000+ yards and 5-ish TDs on top of what he does with his arm. Quote:
Lamar's flaw is that he is not an accurate passer. What's great about him is that he is a great football player so he doesn't need to be with his skillset. I mean, he will need to if he ever wants to take that next step in the postseason, but all of those guys in the 8-15 range have some sort of similar flaw that keeps them from getting asked to the dance. If you had to win just one game, you would honestly take that pussy Derek Carr over Lamar Jackson? Lol. Fine. I'd take Lamar Jackson and my team would smash yours. Quote:
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07-12-2022, 02:35 PM | #33336 |
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Passing yards are a bit overrated anyway.
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07-12-2022, 02:47 PM | #33337 |
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Yes because some people get them in garbage time, but its not like the bar is 4k anymore. The bar for a great passing attack is your QB throwing for 4.5k yards. Lamar's best is 3,100. Thats Alex Smith level..... And lets be honest Lamar has had some gimmies because people are worried about the run game, not his arm. I would take Murray over Lamar (not carr). Because I know Murray can throw. Lamar is a "Cool" QB because he has wheels. He's a Mike Vick type, fun to watch. But if the other team has a good 2ndary, he can't throw to save his life. |
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If you wanna factor in his rushing yards, then let's factor in other QB's rushing yards. Last year, Josh Allen threw 4407 yards and ran for 763. That's a total of 5,170. Last year Lamar threw 2882 and rushed for 767. That's 1,521 FEWER total yards than Allen. "Oh but he was injured!" Exactly. Because he runs the ball so damn much, he's never going to give you sixteen games again, let alone 17. In Lamar's MVP season he had 837 fewer total yards than Allen did last season. If anyone cares - last year, which has been highly touted as Mahomes "worst" season, he had fifty more total yards than Josh Allen did. He also had 1,000 MORE TOTAL YARDS THAN "MVP" AARON RODGERS. Everyone shut the **** up. |
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Don't get me wrong I think Lamar is good at what he does, but if you took him out of the current offense and dropped him into a pro-style offense he COULDN'T do it.
That being said alot people couldn't make his offense run as effective either. But the difference is they COULD run it. Just not as well. |
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The biggest thing about passing yards is for the top QB's is that they throw for a TD for about every 125 yards (give or take a few yards) they throw for. Mahomes happens to be right on that number for his career. 151 TD's on 18991 total yards. 125.8 yards per TD.
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Taking his 2019 MVP season, he only attempted 401 passes, but he also added 176 carries. You combine the two, which is really doing Lamar a bit of a disservice in volume numbers since passes generally yield more yardage on a per play basis, and you get 477 'attempts' for 4,333 yards, which comes pretty close to your arbitrary 4.5k figure. Quote:
You're also highlighting my argument that passing yards are a bit overrated. Aaron Rodgers has four MVPs and in those seasons he threw for 4,600, 4,300, 4,300 and 4,100 yards. Dude hasn't even come close to cracking 5k. You know who did crack 5k? Brees. Like 6 times. You know how many MVPs he's got? 0. Quote:
When you get a talent like Lamar Jackson, you tailor your offense to fit his skillset. Well in that case, Lamar is ahead of the curve. He throws a TD every 118 yards on average. |
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The top 6 can’t really be argued:
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Allen needs to take off his magical diapers. He fills them enough and nobody remembers
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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
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Nick Wright: DO MAC JONES, BAKER MAYFIELD BELONG AT BOTTOM OF QB PYRAMID? Beneath the Pyramid Drew Lock, Seattle Seahawks; Daniel Jones, New York Giants; Marcus Mariota, Atlanta Falcons; Mitchell Trubisky, Pittsburgh Steelers Wright's thoughts: "These are four guys who are ‘starting quarterbacks,’ meaning they are currently starting quarterbacks, but we know Mariota and Trubisky and career backups, and Lock is a career backup. Jones will soon be a career backup, so they don't even get ranked." Bottom Tier Justin Fields, Chicago Bears 2021 Stats: 2-8 record, 159-for-270 (58.9%), 1,870 YDs, seven TD, 10 INT Wright's thoughts: "We haven't seen enough [to rank him higher.]" Davis Mills, Houston Texans 2021 Stats: 2-9 record, 263-for-394 (66.8%), 2,664 YDs, 16 TD, 10 INT Wright's thoughts: "I actually like some of the things I've seen, but I haven't seen enough." Carson Wentz, Washington Commanders 2021 Stats: 9-8 record, 322-for-516 (62.4%), 3,563 YDs, 27 TD, seven INT Wright's thoughts: "Wentz is an interesting one, because he is better than all of the guys on this tier, except for when it matters most, in which case he is worse than all of the guys on this tier." Zach Wilson, New York Jets 2021 Stats: 3-10 record, 213-for-383 (55.6%), 2,334 YDs, nine TD, 11 INT Wright's thoughts: "The only reason he's not lower is because of his draft pedigree." Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins 2021 Stats: 7-5 record, 263-for-388 (67.7%, 2,653 YDs, 16 TD, 10 INT Wright's thoughts: "You guys know I think he's going to lose his job." Mac Jones, New England Patriots 2021 Stats: 10-7 record, 352-for-521 (67.6%), 3,801 YDs, 22 TD, 13 INT Wright's thoughts: "I haven't explained this because I have an inkling we might be arguing about it." Jared Goff, Detroit Lions 2021 Stats: 3-10-1 record, 332-for-494 (67.2%), 3,245 YDs, 19 TD, eight INT Wright's thoughts: "Jared Goff is Jared Goff." Next Tier Up (QBs No. 21-16) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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