*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



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[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So we agree that there are extenuating circumstances that need to be taken into account..

How about the fact that Mahomes was playing with a first ballot HoF TE and HoF talent WR1 behind what ended up being one of the better OLs in the league?

And a shitty to non-existent running game, thanks to a lack of talent and misuse by EB/Reid.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Uh.. OK. I never said you did.



That isn't a fact. At all.

You realize Mahomes' extra possession in OT is tainting your memory of the game? Mahomes added 69 passing yards and 1 passing TD in that period. A period in which Allen didn't get a chance to touch the ball.

Without that extra drive, Mahomes ends up with 309 passing yards to Allen's 329. 2 passing TDs to Allen's 4. 69 rushing yards to Allen's 68. 1 rushing TD to Allen's 0.

Those two QBs were about as equal as you can be in that game.

What you keep forgetting is that Mahomes’ offense punted less and Mahomes did this against the #1 defense with not one, but two All Pro safeties. Mahomes spread the ball around far more than Allen who targeted Davis over and over again because he was wide open.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So we agree that there are extenuating circumstances that need to be taken into account..

How about the fact that Mahomes was playing with a first ballot HoF TE and HoF talent WR1 behind what ended up being one of the better OLs in the league?

While Kelce is a first ballot HOF and Hill is good, it’s not like it’s Allen an a bunch of scrubs. While KC’s #1 receiver is better, Buffalo has a better WR corps overall. Their OLine is not too shabby either.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So we agree that there are extenuating circumstances that need to be taken into account..

How about the fact that Mahomes was playing with a first ballot HoF TE and HoF talent WR1 behind what ended up being one of the better OLs in the league?

And Buffalo's defense was rated #1.

I am done arguing with this idiocy in the Mahomes thread.

Your QB takes suck.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

And a shitty to non-existent running game, thanks to a lack of talent and misuse by EB/Reid.

Our run game was actually pretty baller that night. If you take away Mahomes and Allen's runs, the Chiefs rushed for 113 and the Bills 41. Chiefs went for 5.7 YPC and the Bills went for 3.2.

Originally Posted by tredadda

What you keep forgetting is that Mahomes’ offense punted less and Mahomes did this against the #1 defense with not one, but two All Pro safeties. Mahomes spread the ball around far more than Allen who targeted Davis over and over again because he was wide open.

I saw some dude on Reddit or Facebook the other day who claimed WASP wasn't a good play by Mahomes because Hill was wide open. People just see what they want to see and that's what you sound like right now.

You're ignoring the fact that Allen's #1 target in Diggs was completely blanked by Ward. Dude had like 7 yards or something. As I mentioned earlier, the Bills running game also wasn't nearly as good as KC's.

Of course they punted more than we did. Their offense was the Josh Allen and Gabe Davis show. Are you expected to score on every drive when your ground game only averages 3 YPC and your #1 receiver can only muster 7 yards on 3 targets?

The bolded also isn't true. Mahomes targeted Hill on 29% of his passes that night while Allen only targeted Davis on 27% of his passes.

Originally Posted by tredadda

While Kelce is a first ballot HOF and Hill is good, it’s not like it’s Allen an a bunch of scrubs. While KC’s #1 receiver is better, Buffalo has a better WR corps overall. Their OLine is not too shabby either.

It's not a big difference, I'd agree, but I think Pat's got the better supporting cast.

Chiefs RBs=Bills RBs
Chiefs OL>Bills OL
Kelce>Knox
Hill>Diggs
Beasley>Pringle
Sanders=Hardman
Gabe Davis>Robinson

I think the big difference, again, is that Kelce and Hill are both HoF talents. They're better at the bottom but we're far better at the top.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Our run game was actually pretty baller that night. If you take away Mahomes and Allen's runs, the Chiefs rushed for 113 and the Bills 41. Chiefs went for 5.7 YPC and the Bills went for 3.2.



I saw some dude on Reddit or Facebook the other day who claimed WASP wasn't a good play by Mahomes because Hill was wide open. People just see what they want to see and that's what you sound like right now.

You're ignoring the fact that Allen's #1 target in Diggs was completely blanked by Ward. Dude had like 7 yards or something. As I mentioned earlier, the Bills running game also wasn't nearly as good as KC's.

Of course they punted more than we did. Their offense was the Josh Allen and Gabe Davis show. Are you expected to score on every drive when your ground game only averages 3 YPC and your #1 receiver can only muster 7 yards on 3 targets?

The bolded also isn't true. Mahomes targeted Hill on 29% of his passes that night while Allen only targeted Davis on 27% of his passes.



It's not a big difference, I'd agree, but I think Pat's got the better supporting cast.

Chiefs RBs=Bills RBs
Chiefs OL>Bills OL
Kelce>Knox
Hill>Diggs
Beasley>Pringle
Sanders=Hardman
Gabe Davis>Robinson

I think the big difference, again, is that Kelce and Hill are both HoF talents. They're better at the bottom but we're far better at the top.

Regardless of the "supporting casts", Buffalo objectively had the better defense all season, and it wasn't even close.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Uh.. OK. I never said you did.



That isn't a fact. At all.

You realize Mahomes' extra possession in OT is tainting your memory of the game? Mahomes added 69 passing yards and 1 passing TD in that period. A period in which Allen didn't get a chance to touch the ball.

Without that extra drive, Mahomes ends up with 309 passing yards to Allen's 329. 2 passing TDs to Allen's 4. 69 rushing yards to Allen's 68. 1 rushing TD to Allen's 0.

Those two QBs were about as equal as you can be in that game.

KC had more RB rushes which cut into Mahomes passing numbers in regulation

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Jackson is a cokehead

[suzzer99]

To be fair kids are snorting all kinds of stuff these days - could be coke, ecstasy, ketamine, meth, fentanyl, heroin, adderall.

But he was probably enjoying some of this:

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[KChiefs1]

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Patrick Mahomes’ Biggest Problem Is Perfectly Explained by a Single Chart

by Joe Kozlowski Published on February 22, 2022


Given the years spent with the likes of Todd Blackledge, Tyler Thigpen, and Brodie Croyle under center, it seems almost nonsensical for any Kansas City Chiefs fan to criticize Patrick Mahomes. Even if you set aside his Super Bowl victory, the quarterback has changed just about everything in Arrowhead. Opposing fans are the ones who have to fear the worst, not those wearing red, white, and gold.

That doesn’t mean the young gunslinger is perfect, though. Take, for example, his iffy performance in the AFC Championship. During the second half of that fateful game, Mahomes’ biggest issue was laid bare for the (football) world to see.

While it might not sit right with NFL purists, Mahomes has no problem flaunting the fundamentals and doing whatever it takes to make a play. That can produce highlight-reel touchdowns, but it can also lead to disaster.

Although the quarterback has cut down on his tendency to force risky throws, he still can run himself into trouble. The KC signal-caller has spoken about trying to remain in the pocket rather than simply scrambling at the first sign of trouble. That’s a valuable sentiment, but he sometimes seems caught in two minds.

Again, let’s return to the AFC Championship. With the Chiefs driving for a potential winning score, Mahomes suffered two brutal sacks and almost coughed up a game-losing fumble. On both plays, he dived, ducked, dipped, dived, dodged, and did just about everything other than throwing the ball downfield. While that ability to improvise is impressive, discretion is the better part of valor.

In those two plays, the worst of Patrick Mahomes was plain to see.

The Chiefs QB creates problems for himself at a troubling rate

If you watch the film of those two plays (h/t Touchdown Wire), it’s plain to see how Mahomes runs himself out of, and then back into, trouble. That tendency isn’t just an anecdotal observation, though.

Brad Congelio recently shared a graph on Twitter that plotted how frequently NFL quarterbacks created their own pressure during the 2021 campaign. Mahomes, seen in the top right quadrant, stands out for the wrong reasons. He not only had the most pressured dropbacks but also the highest percentage of self-created pressures.

While Congelio himself noted that the top left quadrant was the most concerning — those QBs aren’t pressured frequently but create most of the issues for themselves — it still illuminates arguably the biggest flaw in Mahomes’ game. The Chiefs star can improvise his way to a title, but, on occasion, he can also run himself out of a game.


Where does this leave Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs?

Whether you’re going by the AFC Championship or the graph, it’s clear that Mahomes’ tendency to run himself into trouble can be problematic. Solving that issue, however, is a bit tougher than identifying it.

It goes without saying that forcing Mahomes to conform isn’t the answer. Great players need latitude to do their thing, and while it’s not fun in the moment, it’s usually a worthwhile trade to accept some mistakes along with their brilliance. That reality, however, doesn’t mean that the franchise can sit idly by and let its star player run into trouble.

While it’s easy to forget given his incredible resume, Mahomes is still a relatively young man. He was also playing behind a newly rebuilt offensive line, which probably led to some happy feet. Combine that with his supreme confidence and a must-win home game, and it’s easy to see how the signal-caller got those happy feet on that fateful Sunday.

So what’s the solution? At this point, probably more comfort and maturity. Similar to how the quarterback adjusted to facing constant double-high safety coverage, Mahomes will need to be more conscious about running himself into a bad spot. If he tucks and runs, things need to be more north-south and less east-west.

There’s probably also something to be said for adding a slight wrinkle to the playbook. Given Travis Kelce’s incredible talent, the tight end usually functions more like a secondary receiver than a safety valve. KC’s running backs, who could also serve as check-down receivers, also have license to get down the field.

While that’s all well and good on paper, it could be worth reconsidering. Everyone loves seeing Mahomes uncork a 75-yard bomb, but there’s something to be said for keeping someone in the flat.

Sports, like just about everything else, come down to decision-making. At the end of the day, that’s understandably where Patrick Mahomes has the most ground to make up. He’s got an incredible arm, and he can improvise with the best of them. At the same time, though, he needs to know when it’s time to cut his losses. That, as cliche as it may sound, will come down to a combination of time, personal growth, and coaching.


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[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

https://www.sportscasting.com/patric...-single-chart/


Patrick Mahomes’ Biggest Problem Is Perfectly Explained by a Single Chart

by Joe Kozlowski Published on February 22, 2022


Given the years spent with the likes of Todd Blackledge, Tyler Thigpen, and Brodie Croyle under center, it seems almost nonsensical for any Kansas City Chiefs fan to criticize Patrick Mahomes. Even if you set aside his Super Bowl victory, the quarterback has changed just about everything in Arrowhead. Opposing fans are the ones who have to fear the worst, not those wearing red, white, and gold.

That doesn’t mean the young gunslinger is perfect, though. Take, for example, his iffy performance in the AFC Championship. During the second half of that fateful game, Mahomes’ biggest issue was laid bare for the (football) world to see.

While it might not sit right with NFL purists, Mahomes has no problem flaunting the fundamentals and doing whatever it takes to make a play. That can produce highlight-reel touchdowns, but it can also lead to disaster.

Although the quarterback has cut down on his tendency to force risky throws, he still can run himself into trouble. The KC signal-caller has spoken about trying to remain in the pocket rather than simply scrambling at the first sign of trouble. That’s a valuable sentiment, but he sometimes seems caught in two minds.

Again, let’s return to the AFC Championship. With the Chiefs driving for a potential winning score, Mahomes suffered two brutal sacks and almost coughed up a game-losing fumble. On both plays, he dived, ducked, dipped, dived, dodged, and did just about everything other than throwing the ball downfield. While that ability to improvise is impressive, discretion is the better part of valor.

In those two plays, the worst of Patrick Mahomes was plain to see.

The Chiefs QB creates problems for himself at a troubling rate

If you watch the film of those two plays (h/t Touchdown Wire), it’s plain to see how Mahomes runs himself out of, and then back into, trouble. That tendency isn’t just an anecdotal observation, though.

Brad Congelio recently shared a graph on Twitter that plotted how frequently NFL quarterbacks created their own pressure during the 2021 campaign. Mahomes, seen in the top right quadrant, stands out for the wrong reasons. He not only had the most pressured dropbacks but also the highest percentage of self-created pressures.

While Congelio himself noted that the top left quadrant was the most concerning — those QBs aren’t pressured frequently but create most of the issues for themselves — it still illuminates arguably the biggest flaw in Mahomes’ game. The Chiefs star can improvise his way to a title, but, on occasion, he can also run himself out of a game.


Where does this leave Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs?

Whether you’re going by the AFC Championship or the graph, it’s clear that Mahomes’ tendency to run himself into trouble can be problematic. Solving that issue, however, is a bit tougher than identifying it.

It goes without saying that forcing Mahomes to conform isn’t the answer. Great players need latitude to do their thing, and while it’s not fun in the moment, it’s usually a worthwhile trade to accept some mistakes along with their brilliance. That reality, however, doesn’t mean that the franchise can sit idly by and let its star player run into trouble.

While it’s easy to forget given his incredible resume, Mahomes is still a relatively young man. He was also playing behind a newly rebuilt offensive line, which probably led to some happy feet. Combine that with his supreme confidence and a must-win home game, and it’s easy to see how the signal-caller got those happy feet on that fateful Sunday.

So what’s the solution? At this point, probably more comfort and maturity. Similar to how the quarterback adjusted to facing constant double-high safety coverage, Mahomes will need to be more conscious about running himself into a bad spot. If he tucks and runs, things need to be more north-south and less east-west.

There’s probably also something to be said for adding a slight wrinkle to the playbook. Given Travis Kelce’s incredible talent, the tight end usually functions more like a secondary receiver than a safety valve. KC’s running backs, who could also serve as check-down receivers, also have license to get down the field.

While that’s all well and good on paper, it could be worth reconsidering. Everyone loves seeing Mahomes uncork a 75-yard bomb, but there’s something to be said for keeping someone in the flat.

Sports, like just about everything else, come down to decision-making. At the end of the day, that’s understandably where Patrick Mahomes has the most ground to make up. He’s got an incredible arm, and he can improvise with the best of them. At the same time, though, he needs to know when it’s time to cut his losses. That, as cliche as it may sound, will come down to a combination of time, personal growth, and coaching.


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I think most people noticed that when watching the games, but it's good to have the data to back it up. Pat would leave a clean pocket to run into pressure. That wasn't ALL the time, as there were MANY times where his movement was brilliant. But he was responsible for a good chunk of pressure that he really didn't have to face.

[ThaVirus]

I read somewhere that Mahomes was actually pressured more this season than Burrow, but took 33 fewer sacks.

Whether or he runs into trouble seems debatable, but you can't deny that he is a ****ing wizard at avoiding sacks.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I read somewhere that Mahomes was actually pressured more this season than Burrow, but took 33 fewer sacks.

Whether or he runs into trouble seems debatable, but you can't deny that he is a ****ing wizard at avoiding sacks.

There's no way that's true. Just going off pure eye test it's not even close. The Bengals line was an abomination and while Burrow does need to learn to throw the ball away faster or slide in the pocket better, our line was still leagues better than the Bengals line.