Let’s talk about rd 2

[RunKC]

Lot of good receivers left as well as corners.

Feeling good about it. What’s our big board look like?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Moving up and down to get the best player value for your pick is NOT reaching.

What you're talking about is the opposite of player value.

You don't take a guy you have a 4th round grade on in the second because you feel a need at that position. That's BAD player value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mkp785

I agree with you that we could always use more DBs. You can't go wrong with them nowadays. I took issue with you calling a former 1st rd pick a bum when the Chiefs seem to think differently. There's no way after his injury that they'd sign him to a long term deal, but he definitely seems to be in our plans.

I'd be willingly to bet that he's starting by the end of the season. Injuries aside of course.

I never said he was a bum but he's certainly not somebody you can just pencil in. Between his up and down play, the off-field issues, and his injury he'll be lucky to be not the roster a year from now. He's a long shot if there ever was one. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It doesn’t work like that.

sure it does.

Good drafters do it all the time. If the guy they want will last longer they move down. If the guy they want won't last to their pick they move up. Really good drafters pick up more when they move down than they have to pay when they move up so all the moving around doesn't cost them too much.

Ozzie Newsome was a good one

[Tribal Warfare]

One of the 2nd round picks should be an athletic SPARQ hero on defense

[Kellerfox]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think our d-line situation is good. I think one more real rush threat would make it elite. I don't think you should reach for a guy when that's the case.

There are a couple of guys that might make it to us in the 2nd. If they don't, there are more that may be there in the 4th.

Don't reach.

Exactly how I feel. And assuming that Clark is cut after this season, we have next to nothing at DE for 2022. I don’t mind the logic of looking ahead (we should be and Veach does). But that same logic applies to C, WR, CB, and LB. I think our 2021 amd 2022 needs are roughly equal at multiple positions. I’m right there with you - take BPA and don’t reach,

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Moving up and down to get the best player value for your pick is NOT reaching.

What if the best player value isn't DE or LB? Then what?

You said they have to get a DE and a LB. That's not drafting for best value, that's drafting for need.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by JakeF

you do both

You move up and down to get the best play you can at the positions you need. We have 2 picks in the 2nd. Veech needs to get the best DE and LB he can by using those 2 picks.

Look at it like this:

Ellerson Smith. Almost everyone has a 4th round grade on him. Small school guy, lots of upside, but raw and will need to be coached up.

Odeyingbo- 3rd-4th round grade, probably a late first round talent, but tore his achilles and probably won't help you in 2021.

It's entirely possible that those are your best players at edge when we come up at #58.

You absolutely don't do that when there are WR's that can help you right away, at least two TE's that can help you, probably a LB, some interior OL, all that can play and contribute to your team day one.

THAT is what player value is about.

I like Smith and Odeyingbo, and would be all about packing our #4 and the 2 #5's to go get one should they fall into the early 4th, but there's no reason at all to grab one in the 2nd.

Just go sign Ingram to be a rotational pass rusher, and see if one of the guys is there later.

[RunKC]

Hate to break this to you guys, but we’re going to fill needs, be it now or short term future need.

Corner, LB, C, DE, WR. Every one of those are needs

Your just trying to get the best player at whatever need is on the list

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What if the best player value isn't DE or LB? Then what?

You said they have to get a DE and a LB. That's not drafting for best value, that's drafting for need.

He doesn’t understand that saying “trade up for a DE or LB” is the same thing as saying “draft a DE or LB”

It’s drafting solely for need either way, one is just more aggressive than the other.

The Chiefs should either draft a particular player at 58/63, trade up for one, or trade back for a particular group of players.

Position should have little to do with that outside of eliminating RB, QB, DT, and OT from the conversation.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hate to break this to you guys, but we’re going to fill needs, be it now or short term future need.

Corner, LB, C, DE, WR. Every one of those are needs

Your just trying to get the best player at whatever need is on the list

Literally nobody disagrees with this...

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hate to break this to you guys, but we’re going to fill needs, be it now or short term future need.

Corner, LB, C, DE, WR. Every one of those are needs

Your just trying to get the best player at whatever need is on the list

Sure, but everyone's acting like the only chance to do so is the draft, just like for the last two months, everyone was acting like the only way to do so was the first wave of free agency.

There will be two waves of free agency to go; one post draft, and one around June. And there are still trades.

You don't need to reach to fill immediate holes today and tomorrow.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hate to break this to you guys, but we’re going to fill needs, be it now or short term future need.

Corner, LB, C, DE, WR. Every one of those are needs

Your just trying to get the best player at whatever need is on the list

Um, yeah?

We have needs at about 6 positions. We're not going to just draft a QB for example. That would be dumb.

But we're also not going to pass on a potential starting center for a 4th-round DE, either. That's what we're talking about.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Literally nobody disagrees with this...

Exactly. Nobody.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Um, yeah?

We have needs at about 6 positions. We're not going to just draft a QB for example. That would be dumb.

But we're also not going to pass on a potential starting center for a 4th-round DE, either. That's what we're talking about.

If they are trading up it’s not gonna be for a 4th rd DE. Whoever the player is would be at the top of their board.

Stop reading JakeF’s reeruned posts

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It doesn’t work like that. Trades don’t just happen because you want them too unless you’re willing to overpay.

It will happen today.

Some teams have bad traders who give away the farm to move up a couple of spots, Chicago trading up 2 spots to get a shitty QB for no reason. Some guys are smart and always seem to gain more than lose when moving around. They trade down for 3 picks and then move back up for 1 pick and still get the guy they need.