Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 22

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

**RealSNR** · 03-15-2020, 12:00 AM

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Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.

Chester McGlockton!

dlphg9 · 03-15-2020, 12:06 AM

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Chester McGlockton!

God damn you!

KChiefs1 · 03-15-2020, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Chester McGlockton!

Don’t remind me of that lazy fatass.

Wallcrawler · 03-15-2020, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.

Ndomukong Suh, for starters.

Defensive rookie of the year, 4 pro bowls with Detroit, 3 first team.

Became highest paid defender in the league in 2015 leaving for Miami. 114 million, 60 guaranteed.

But teams would NEVER let a stud DT leave.

Chief Roundup · 03-15-2020, 07:29 AM

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Ndomukong Suh.

Albert Haynesworth.

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OrtonsPiercedTaint · 03-15-2020, 08:28 AM

Whale, piranha or octopus to go with the shark

**dirk digler** · 03-15-2020, 09:34 AM

With the new CBA signed and a huge cap increase coming in 2021 I think they can work out something to get Jones signed.

Red Dawg · 03-15-2020, 09:43 AM

No. Get picks

dlphg9 · 03-15-2020, 11:09 AM

With the additional $10 mil in cap space this, signing Chris Jones to a long term deal will be easy. Signing him to a 5 yr/$110 mil deal is completely doable and wouldn't handcuff us financially. The yearly cap hit could look something like this

Yr 1 - $13 mil
Yr 2 - $17 mil
Yr 3 - $26 mil
Yr 4 - $27 mil
Yr 5 - $27 mil

Keep it low in the 1st 2 years and then in year 3,4,5 it will probably look like a very good deal because contracts are about to go crazy.

TomBarndtsTwin · 03-15-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

With the additional $10 mil in cap space this, signing Chris Jones to a long term deal will be easy. Signing him to a 5 yr/$110 mil deal is completely doable and wouldn't handcuff us financially. The yearly cap hit could look something like this

Yr 1 - $13 mil
Yr 2 - $17 mil
Yr 3 - $26 mil
Yr 4 - $27 mil
Yr 5 - $27 mil

Keep it low in the 1st 2 years and then in year 3,4,5 it will probably look like a very good deal because contracts are about to go crazy.

That’s great.

But are you taking into account the numbers of the Mahomes contract extension? How about the jumping cap numbers of Clark and Mathieu? The inevitable contract extension of Kelce (not a big jump, but will likely make him highest paid TE in league). So while you can make a Jones deal with low cap numbers the first 2 years, you still have to account for all the other rising caps numbers for those others.

That’s not even mentioning what we are doing at CB. I expect one high priced add there or a new contract for Fuller, which will likely be around $10 mil. annually.

Lot of factors to take into account when considering the Jones deal. Stuff I know Veach and his guys are already working on to see if it’s even possible.

I think it’s gonna hamstring us for a couple years if we resign him and I think Veach knows this. The question is does re-signing him outweigh what it’s gonna potentially cost us the next couple years? Likely roster depth and playmakers on offense, possibly an upgraded interior O-Line.

But I trust Veach so we’ll see what he does . . . . .

Red Dawg · 03-15-2020, 12:47 PM

Have we even tagged Jones yet?

Megatron96 · 03-15-2020, 02:02 PM

Chris might still stay in KC. We're all thinking in terms of what we know, but with the new CBA ratified, going forward there might be room for two 20 million dollar DLs on the same team. Or two 20M WRs, or whatever. Hell, once the cap hits about 240 million, teams might be able to afford three 20M guys and a 35M QB . . .

BlackOp · 03-15-2020, 03:34 PM

Chiefs have 2 exceptional players on defense...Jones and HB.

They have 2 "very good" players in Clark and Pennel.

They have 4 "good" players in Fuller, Thornhill, Ward and Nnadi...I'd possibly put Breeland, Ogbah and Okafor here also.

All but four or five players are replaceable....Hitchens was a terrible move by Veach.

Chiefs need to keep Jones...the odds of getting a dominant players in return is unlikely.

RunKC · 03-15-2020, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Chiefs have 2 exceptional players on defense...Jones and HB.

They have 2 "very good" players in Clark and Pennel.

They have 4 "good" players in Fuller, Thornhill, Ward and Nnadi...I'd possibly put Breeland, Ogbah and Okafor here also.

All but four or five players are replaceable....Hitchens was a terrible move by Veach.

Chiefs need to keep Jones...the odds of getting a dominant players in return is unlikely.

Frank Clark is as good as any player on this team not named Patrick Mahomes. It’s amazing that people still don’t acknowledge that

Red Dawg · 03-15-2020, 03:40 PM

Why haven't we tagged him yet?

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	With the additional $10 mil in cap space this, signing Chris Jones to a long term deal will be easy. Signing him to a 5 yr/$110 mil deal is completely doable and wouldn't handcuff us financially. The yearly cap hit could look something like this Yr 1 - $13 mil Yr 2 - $17 mil Yr 3 - $26 mil Yr 4 - $27 mil Yr 5 - $27 mil Keep it low in the 1st 2 years and then in year 3,4,5 it will probably look like a very good deal because contracts are about to go crazy.
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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2825267	Chiefs have 2 exceptional players on defense...Jones and HB. They have 2 "very good" players in Clark and Pennel. They have 4 "good" players in Fuller, Thornhill, Ward and Nnadi...I'd possibly put Breeland, Ogbah and Okafor here also. All but four or five players are replaceable....Hitchens was a terrible move by Veach. Chiefs need to keep Jones...the odds of getting a dominant players in return is unlikely.
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