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Old 04-17-2017, 02:02 PM  
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Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1
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... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:06 PM   #316
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Lack of velocity on the ball just makes the qb have to be that much faster with his reads, release, etc.

From what I can find, there isn't a starter in the league that threw under 50.

I like Watson but that lack of velocity scares me off quite a bit.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:08 PM   #317
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55 seems to be about the minimum, only guy to have success since 08 throwing under that is Tyrod.

49 is really low.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:10 PM   #318
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Mahomes or Kizer.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:10 PM   #319
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Which is more likely, Mahomes learning to play smarter or Watson learning to throw with more velocity?


Just saw that ex-Baltimore scout guy say on t.v. that he talked to some team experts(anonymous) and did a small survey asking which QB would go first after Trubisky.

3 - Watson
2 - Mahomes
1 - some other guy, i forget

I guess Watson is moving up.

Mayock has Watson at #1, even over Trubisky.
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Mahomes has smaller hands than the other guys IIRC.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:12 PM   #321
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Which is more likely, Mahomes learning to play smarter or Watson learning to throw with more velocity?
I'm going with Watson after watching SAGA45's videos.
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I could see gaining a single MPH or two, but gaining 6 seems pretty hefty.
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Dude threwas for 3 TDs and 420 yards against one of the best college defenses in awhile. I've watched his tape I don't see where his lack of arm strength hurts him as much as poor decision making and shit footwork. You guys act like he's Ken Dorsey he isnt.
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:11 PM   #324
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Per Matt Miller's podcast..

-NYJ like Mitch Trubisky. Real possibility he could go there.
-Trubisky to Bills is a real possibility and Watson is very possible if Trubisky is gone.
-Pat Mahomes seems like a Cardinal. Matt doesn't think he will get past them. They absolutely love him.
-Kizer might go to Cleveland in the early 2nd rd. Big questions on why he wasn't good last year. Apparently his answers to teams seemed to really hurt his stock.
-Matt listed Davis Webb as a possibility to the Chiefs. Talked about his football IQ being very good and appealing.
-Peterman is a rd 2 pick. Could be a great pick for Cleveland at 52 if they don't get a QB early.

Thinking about Davis Webb, he is extremely similar to Paxton Lynch who we were rumored to want to trade up for. No experience in pro style concepts or drop backs, rocket arm, huge body frame.
Big difference between the 2 is Webb's reported impressive football IQ. Seems like Andy would love his smarts.
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Dude threwas for 3 TDs and 420 yards against one of the best college defenses in awhile. I've watched his tape I don't see where his lack of arm strength hurts him as much as poor decision making and shit footwork. You guys act like he's Ken Dorsey he isnt.
Radar gun don't lie.
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:38 PM   #326
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Radar gun don't lie.
Drew Brees and Tom Brady say what up. This isnt baseball.

Youre using a flawed metric that rated Kessler and Flacco the same. How bout production?405 and 420 in 2 games against Alabama is meaningless?
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:48 PM   #327
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Per Matt Miller's podcast..

-NYJ like Mitch Trubisky. Real possibility he could go there.
-Trubisky to Bills is a real possibility and Watson is very possible if Trubisky is gone.
-Pat Mahomes seems like a Cardinal. Matt doesn't think he will get past them. They absolutely love him.
-Kizer might go to Cleveland in the early 2nd rd. Big questions on why he wasn't good last year. Apparently his answers to teams seemed to really hurt his stock.
-Matt listed Davis Webb as a possibility to the Chiefs. Talked about his football IQ being very good and appealing.
-Peterman is a rd 2 pick. Could be a great pick for Cleveland at 52 if they don't get a QB early.

Thinking about Davis Webb, he is extremely similar to Paxton Lynch who we were rumored to want to trade up for. No experience in pro style concepts or drop backs, rocket arm, huge body frame.
Big difference between the 2 is Webb's reported impressive football IQ. Seems like Andy would love his smarts.
I could deal with Webb.... he has the natural look. But would we have to get him at 27 is the question. As a team who is presumably going to be sitting a rookie QB for the 2017 season, it would make sense to take the guy at 27 for sure.

Obviously I love Mahomes' potential, but I could deal with Webb for sure. At the end of the day, I always go back to the fact that no QB is going to reach their highest potential without a strong setup from their franchise. KC can provide that for whoever is picked.
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Read the article I posted in the draft forum...you'll like Webb after you're done.

He's got most of the tools to be a good starter in the league.
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Old 04-19-2017, 11:24 PM   #329
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I could deal with Webb.... he has the natural look. But would we have to get him at 27 is the question. As a team who is presumably going to be sitting a rookie QB for the 2017 season, it would make sense to take the guy at 27 for sure.

Obviously I love Mahomes' potential, but I could deal with Webb for sure. At the end of the day, I always go back to the fact that no QB is going to reach their highest potential without a strong setup from their franchise. KC can provide that for whoever is picked.
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I only saw the edited version of your original post in this thread. I am not going to press you about your source, BUT, did you get an indication of "the price point" the Chiefs were expecting to have to meet in pursuing Mahomes? It seems more and more that he may go in the early teens, and more specifically it sounds like Arizona will take him at 13.

Wondering if your source indicated an expectation to have to move up if he was target #1.
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Per Matt Miller's podcast..

-NYJ like Mitch Trubisky. Real possibility he could go there.
-Trubisky to Bills is a real possibility and Watson is very possible if Trubisky is gone.
-Pat Mahomes seems like a Cardinal. Matt doesn't think he will get past them. They absolutely love him.
-Kizer might go to Cleveland in the early 2nd rd. Big questions on why he wasn't good last year. Apparently his answers to teams seemed to really hurt his stock.
-Matt listed Davis Webb as a possibility to the Chiefs. Talked about his football IQ being very good and appealing.
-Peterman is a rd 2 pick. Could be a great pick for Cleveland at 52 if they don't get a QB early.

Thinking about Davis Webb, he is extremely similar to Paxton Lynch who we were rumored to want to trade up for. No experience in pro style concepts or drop backs, rocket arm, huge body frame.
Big difference between the 2 is Webb's reported impressive football IQ. Seems like Andy would love his smarts.
According to the Arizona BBS Arianna isn't sold any QB in the 1st round
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