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Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM  
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:16 PM   #3241
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This was 3 seconds after the ball was snapped.
Still images are absolutely terrible for this kind of assessment.
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:18 PM   #3242
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Well for one, it looks like the Lions gaked the the coverage, I dont' know if it's supposed to be rolled into cover 2, man under or what.
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:18 PM   #3243
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This was 3 seconds after the ball was snapped if you go by the time in the video. It was like 4-5 seconds before Hutch comes around.


Pat's looking to his left. Doesn't even see MVS in that pic.
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:18 PM   #3244
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Hutch has no impact on what should have happened there by the time he stunts. Ball shoulda been out.
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He had already double clutched the MOore route before Hutch is even in any spot to be noticed.

Mahomes gaffed one. It happens.
Like I said, he likely wanted MVS instead...because well....that's probably a tuddy if he gets the ball off.

I'm not buying the "He doesn't trust him enough to throw him the ball when he's wide open" angle that y'all are trying to sell.

He likely saw Skyy, also saw MVS coming wide the **** open for a huge gain, elected for the big play and then pulled it down when the defender leaked inside.

Knowing Mahomes, that's the far more likely correct answer.
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Like I said, he likely wanted MVS instead...because well....that's probably a tuddy if he gets the ball off.

I'm not buying the "He doesn't trust him enough to throw him the ball when he's wide open" angle that y'all are trying to sell.

He likely saw Skyy, also saw MVS coming wide the **** open for a huge gain, elected for the big play and then pulled it down when the defender leaked inside.

Knowing Mahomes, that's the far more likely correct answer.
Look at his head. He never comes back to MVS until after the pump fake.

I don't know about the "trust" stuff, but the guys wide open for a first down there. The ball needs to come out assuming the progression appears what it appears to be.
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Based on the route concepts there, I would guess MVS is supposed to pull said safety opening the back side dig.

As it happened.
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I am wondering if they prepared all TC for man and the Lions went all zone plus with Kelce out really screwed things up.

With that being said, watching all the games yesterday only the Fins-Chargers offenses looked good. The rest of the league, offenses were pretty poor overall.
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I am wondering if they prepared all TC for man and the Lions went all zone plus with Kelce out really screwed things up.

With that being said, watching all the games yesterday only the Fins-Chargers offenses looked good. The rest of the league, offenses were pretty poor overall.
Well the Lions played the most man in the league last year and came out in this game and promptly played like 92% zone.
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I am wondering if they prepared all TC for man and the Lions went all zone plus with Kelce out really screwed things up.

With that being said, watching all the games yesterday only the Fins-Chargers offenses looked good. The rest of the league, offenses were pretty poor overall.
...and their (Fins-Chargers) Ds looked atrocious.
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Take this with whatever grain of salt you like:

Skyy is wide open at his break, but Pat hesitated. I think he didn't pull the trigger because he expected Skyy to sit down there, but instead Skyy keeps running, making it a tougher throw.

Then, he looks back to his right, and (I think) he sees MVS about the time Scantling crosses the right hashes, but at the same time he gets a defender running right in his face so he has to scramble, so he doesn't pull the trigger.

Then he comes back to Skyy, and (I think) Moore should've sat down right at the tip of the arrowhead logo. At least stayed between the hashes.

But instead, keeps running across the field (towards coverage), at which point Pat decides to take a shot because he's out of time. But as he's running forward, making it a much tougher throw which ends up being a tad high/right.

Skyy should've still come down with it, but we're talking about his route running, not whether he caught the ball for this exercise.

My opinion is that Skyy still doesn't have much feel for how to play zone coverage, because he didn't understand when to settle/sit down, twice on that play.

For a guy that's supposed to take over JuJu's role, this is concerning.

Now, all of that is speculative, so feel free to shoot holes in it. I'd like to see what others think happened.
And again, that's a real quality of competition concern - he just wasn't asked to 'feel' zones because not a lot of teams at that level play advanced zone coverages.

Whereas Rice seems to feel all that much better. And Toney is still very good at it; made a couple of nice decisions to create a really easy throw - he just duffed them.

And I don't know that a light will just come on for Skyy. That's disconcerting as to what it will mean for him this season.
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I don't think that's really man though. I'm not really sure what they're doing there.

Toney had one where he didn't sit down in the MOF and drifted and it let the LB'er break it up.
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And again, that's a real quality of competition concern - he just wasn't asked to 'feel' zones because not a lot of teams at that level play advanced zone coverages.

Whereas Rice seems to feel all that much better. And Toney is still very good at it; made a couple of nice decisions to create a really easy throw - he just duffed them.

And I don't know that a light will just come on for Skyy. That's disconcerting as to what it will mean for him this season.
He's been in the system long enough now that if the light were going to come on, it would have already IMO. I don't think we're going to see some sudden understanding hit him. That doesn't mean he can't get better or be more useful than he has been. I just think we are probable close to his apex. I hope I'm wrong.
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And again, that's a real quality of competition concern - he just wasn't asked to 'feel' zones because not a lot of teams at that level play advanced zone coverages.

Whereas Rice seems to feel all that much better. And Toney is still very good at it; made a couple of nice decisions to create a really easy throw - he just duffed them.

And I don't know that a light will just come on for Skyy. That's disconcerting as to what it will mean for him this season.



Yeah, when I first watched Skyy's college clips before the draft, I never noticed he was playing almost exclusively against man. Just never clicked in my head. I was too busy watchng his feet.

And we've seen guys come into the NFL without a feel for zone; it usually takes time for them to develop that. Sometimes several seasons. Or some don't, ever.

My hope is that he can figure it out, this season.

But, and this is purely my opinion, he didn't show much growth in that area the other night. Which will be a big problem this season if he hasn't made any progress playing zone since last year, considering how much we apparently were planning on leaning on him in 2023.
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Well, this is why the "it takes WR's time in Andy's system" stuff never stuck. Guys gotta play to figure this stuff out.
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