Pro Bowl LT DJ Humphries [signed by Chiefs]

[SHOWTIME]

Does Veach give him a call?

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— Justin Pugh (@JustinPugh) November 22, 2024

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Your one of the posters on this board who I respect highly, you do your homework with the best of them. Do you have any opinions on the Thuneys not getting more help than Morris/Kingsley?

Kingsley got absolutely no help whatsoever. They said hey rookie were gonna throw you out on an island and you'll get less help than even the best LTs in the game get help, so if you aren't gonna be able to block the Hendrickson's and Bonito's of the league by yourself we still still won't help you and will just bench you.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by JPH83

No issue with Morris as the swing, he's been...OK in patches at RT. But absolutely no chance I'd want him at LT, or Kingsley.

Morris has been hurt since the first Broncos game. He was hurt bad enough that they pulled him out and only put him back in because Bonito beat the shit out of Kingsley. Chances are that he is pretty close to being healthy.

Before he got hurt he had allowed


Pressures Allowed/Pass Block Attempts

2/44
2/37
4/43
2/33
4/44
5/49

Now that isn't amazing, but it would be good enough to win. If we ran the offense like we did against Hou and Pitts, then he'd have even less.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Kingsley got absolutely no help whatsoever. They said hey rookie were gonna throw you out on an island and you'll get less help than even the best LTs in the game get help, so if you aren't gonna be able to block the Hendrickson's and Bonito's of the league by yourself we still still won't help you and will just bench you.

100 percent agree. But its the discourse here. Kingsley also did well all things considered week 1. Week 2 they gave him no help and he got a D in the A.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

100 percent agree. But its the discourse here. Kingsley also did well all things considered week 1. Week 2 they gave him no help and he got a D in the A.

It's weird as ****. They put a guy that was sort of a project and put him in a position to fail, then were surprised when he wasn't able to do something that only the best players would be able to do.

One of the most wild things ever.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

It's weird as ****. They put a guy that was sort of a project and put him in a position to fail, then were surprised when he wasn't able to do something that only the best players would be able to do.

One of the most wild things ever.

It really is. I assume they just thought the game speed was a bit much but the athleticism would catch him up as he went.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Morris has gotten the shit end of the stick around here. People didnt like him because of his LV game last year and now they over exaggerate his ability. People are still in love with Kingsley even though he's been an absolute turnstile and there are people acting like Thuney has been some god send at LT when he's only had one game in which he was better than what Morris's average was. Morris never had a game as bad as Thuney did against Cleveland, but people hate Morris.

It's because Morris ****ING SUCKS. Full stop. Lost the starting job to a raw as **** Kingsley. Was forced back into starting duty because Kingsley sucked too. Was mediocre on his good days and disastrous on his bad days until he got hurt. Then he was so bad even Mahomes flipped the **** out and Reid subsequently pulled the plug.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

It's because Morris ****ING SUCKS. Full stop. Lost the starting job to a raw as **** Kingsley. Was forced back into starting duty because Kingsley sucked too. Was mediocre on his good days and disastrous on his bad days until he got hurt. Then he was so bad even Mahomes flipped the **** out and Reid subsequently pulled the plug.

Andy made a comment in the off-season about how Morris needs to learn to prepare. I wonder if he just doesn't do film for shit or what. Maybe that's why they felt like it had to be Kingsley. And Maybe Morris would step up after losing the job.

[Sassy Squatch]

Or it's because he's just not a very good player.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

It's weird as ****. They put a guy that was sort of a project and put him in a position to fail, then were surprised when he wasn't able to do something that only the best players would be able to do.

One of the most wild things ever.

I don't disagree that it was perhaps odd and unhelpful the way both Morris and Kingsley were introduced. Whatever the reasoning it's clear their current abilities were overestimated.

But I think that's the "problem" now. We're a win now team, as others have said if we're in a rebuilding year I probably feel more comfortable giving a guy like Morris the scope to develop. In the current context, and given the lows we've seen, no chance. I could absolutely see him being an above average back-up, maybe even an average starting RT, with another year starting...but I'm not starting him. Not now.

[Dunerdr]

I wonder if they tweaked the offense only because Mahomes was hurt AND Thuney was kicking over. They were hell bent on long developing stuff all season until they just completely flipped the switch.

[Hammock Parties]

Regarding the two most asked questions regarding Saturday, my feel here is that the #Chiefs ride with Joe Thuney at left tackle, and CB Jaylen Watson starts, playing about 50% of defensive snaps.

— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) January 16, 2025

[PatMahomesIsGod]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Regarding the two most asked questions regarding Saturday, my feel here is that the #Chiefs ride with Joe Thuney at left tackle, and CB Jaylen Watson starts, playing about 50% of defensive snaps.

— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) January 16, 2025

Don’t fix what’s not broken at LT.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by PatMahomesIsGod

Don’t fix what’s not broken at LT.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Your one of the posters on this board who I respect highly, you do your homework with the best of them. Do you have any opinions on the Thuneys not getting more help than Morris/Kingsley?

Unfortunately, I have not watched All-22 on replay of the games. I can only go off what my eyeballs saw and my brain remembers... In that light, it looked to me like Thuney benefitted more from protection slides, chips, and a shorter/quicker passing attack than the others.

That shorter/quicker passing attack is partially thanks to the return of Brown but Patrick clearly wasn't going through full-read progressions and was getting the ball out quickly on short passes. Getting the ball out quickly was proved by his time to pass and the short pass component was proved by Intended Air Yards per Pass Attempt. In the final two games of the year he had 5.7 IAY/PA, lower than his previous 5 contests and only 4 other games were lower (Weeks 2, 3, 5, and 9). Yards after Catch per Completion was also higher than it had been the prior 5 weeks and higher than all but 5 other games (Weeks 1, 2, 5, 6, and 9), which helps explain some of the success from it.

I will say this, of the games Patrick was pressured 20% or more, we scored 21 or fewer points in 5 of those 7 contests. The only other time we scored 21 or less was against the Chargers when we faced a 17.5% pressure rate, which was near our mean. I'd say it is critical that we limit pressure, whatever that means for the OL. The 28% pressure given up to Cleveland in Thuney's 1st game was our 5th highest of the season. The 9% given up to Houston was our lowest. The 15.4% to Denver was our 5th lowest, and that game looked terrible because our offensive skill positions were atrocious too.