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Old 04-15-2020, 06:16 PM  
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Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft
I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU
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Old 04-16-2020, 03:44 PM   #301
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Y'know what's gotten really frustrating lately? The laziness of draft guys when it comes to talking about DEs.

How stupid is "AJ Epenesa, Edge" alongside "Josh Uche, Edge"

Those are clearly 2 different players who will be working completely differently. Epenesa is best utilized as a 4-3 DE. Uche, OTOH, is an obvious OLB.

C'mon draft hacks - you do this once a year. Why can you not give the kind of detail that might be a little useful if we're trying to parse through this stuff quickly?
There are a lot of services that aren't listing DE and OLB anymore they're all Edge.

Guys that are 3-4 ends, and DTs are the DL and LBs are all off ball guys.
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Old 04-16-2020, 03:45 PM   #302
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Because he's not an elite NFL RB. He's not even the best RB in this draft and i wouldn't be surprised to see him slide to the 3rd.

I don't agree about Dobbins either. He's not the best for this offense.

Watch Clyde Edwards Helaire.

I get flashbacks of Ladanian Tomlinson.

He has great feet that are always churning.

Outstanding patience. Great vision. Dude has a knack for picking his spot and finding his hole.

And when he hits the hole the man has lightning quick start/stop acceleration.

You'll watch him get skinny and then burst through a hole and absolutely gobble up yards.

He caught 50 passes for LSU while rushing for over 1,400 yards at 6.6 YPC.

AND the icing on the cake: He has almost no mileage on him.

This dude is the ideal back for K.C and IS a better back than Swift.
I completely disagree actually, Helaire, is a solid player but he doesn't have the natural gifts that Swift has.
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Old 04-16-2020, 03:47 PM   #303
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If you're drafting for year 1 need on a Super Bowl Champion that's returned 92% of its snaps from its starters, you're doing something wrong.

They can absolutely afford to approach this draft w/ years 2-3-4 in mind. Especially when there are guys that can satisfy both masters.

As I said it's all about protecting the Patrick Mahomes investment those 5 years could very well be 5 years of SB appearances.

There is nuance but load management is key for success to keep Mahomes relatively healthy hence OL/RB security demand
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I FIRMLY believe the following:

1. The Chiefs are not drafting a ****ing guard in the 1st round.
2. Edwards Helaire is the BEST back in this draft and would elevate this offense, but i think he may be the 1st back taken.
3. I don't believe the Chiefs feel they have a need at CB. Matter of fact, i think they really ****ing like their CB's so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they passed on one both day 1 and 2.
4. If i could have my choice of DB i'd take Okudah or Antoine Winfield Jr. Neither of which will be there when the Chiefs pick.
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Old 04-16-2020, 03:51 PM   #305
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I FIRMLY believe the following:

1. The Chiefs are not drafting a ****ing guard in the 1st round.
2. Edwards Helaire is the BEST back in this draft and would elevate this offense, but i think he may be the 1st back taken.
3. I don't believe the Chiefs feel they have a need at CB. Matter of fact, i think they really ****ing like their CB's so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they passed on one both day 1 and 2.
4. If i could have my choice of DB i'd take Okudah or Antoine Winfield Jr. Neither of which will be there when the Chiefs pick.
Winfield should be unless something weird happens.
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As I said it's all about protecting the Patrick Mahomes investment those 5 years could very well be 5 years of SB appearances.

There is nuance but load management is key for success to keep Mahomes relatively healthy hence OL/RB security demand
Virtually anything can be shoehorned into an investment to keep Mahomes healthy.

Beef up your defense, cut your points allowed and reduce the number of drop-backs needed by Mahomes by 4-5/gm and you've helped protect him. Or make the drop-backs needed shorter by getting a RB that keeps you ahead of the sticks and you've reduced the number of hits he takes.

The best way to maximize Mahomes is to improve the team around him as much as possible. Hemming yourself into a specific position won't do that.
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I completely disagree actually, Helaire, is a solid player but he doesn't have the natural gifts that Swift has.
Yup we are totally in disagreement.

I watch Swift and i see a guy that's quite limited. He has some quickness to him but almost no burst, he's tackled easily and his vision is so-so.

I can show you clips of Helaire that you can't show me of Swift. Clips of Helaire slithering though what looks like no hole and then bursting for a gain of 8-9 yards.

Helaire is a legit NFL back.

Swift is a guy that can still be productive, but he's a "get him in space" guy.
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Winfield should be unless something weird happens.
Winfield is the best S in this draft. His only knock is his height.

Look at the film, man.

**** these mock drafts from experts who get this shit wrong every year. There's no way you can watch Winfield and tell me he's not a ****in' baller.

There's just no way.
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Anybody intrigued by Tee Higgins at 32?
Nope. We have a quarterback that can fit the ball into the smallest possible windows - I don't need a 'catch radius' guy. Especially not one who isn't as sharp out of his breaks as I'd like - that doesn't work well in Reid's system.

Not a bad player, but not a particularly good fit.
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Winfield is the best S in this draft. His only knock is his height.

Look at the film, man.

**** these mock drafts from experts who get this shit wrong every year. There's no way you can watch Winfield and tell me he's not a ****in' baller.

There's just no way.
I like him, i think Mathieu is his comp, however he has some injury questions that'll hurt.
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Yup we are totally in disagreement.

I watch Swift and i see a guy that's quite limited. He has some quickness to him but almost no burst, he's tackled easily and his vision is so-so.

I can show you clips of Helaire that you can't show me of Swift. Clips of Helaire slithering though what looks like no hole and then bursting for a gain of 8-9 yards.

Helaire is a legit NFL back.

Swift is a guy that can still be productive, but he's a "get him in space" guy.
I think Swift is similar to Kamara, he's a really good receiver, and his ability to run in zone is very good.
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Winfield is the best S in this draft. His only knock is his height.

Look at the film, man.

**** these mock drafts from experts who get this shit wrong every year. There's no way you can watch Winfield and tell me he's not a ****in' baller.

There's just no way.
Winfield is awesome, but he also has some injury concerns and is a smaller dude. It’s not an insult to say he’s likely going in the 2nd. It’s just the truth.
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I like him, i think Mathieu is his comp, however he has some injury questions that'll hurt.
Yeah, he's a Mathieu type guy.

Earl Thomas is another good comparison.

Imagine.....
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