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Old 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM  
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Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez
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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:16 PM   #301
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Geno wasn't that great anyway.


We got a guy that has more upside.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #302
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The Geno fans on this board remind me of my teenage step daughter when she is possessed by the crimson rage.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:18 PM   #303
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Just because I didn't want Geno doesn't mean I didn't or don't want to draft a quarterback.
like I said I wish we would have draft Geno but I wouldnt have ****ing played his the ass year one nor am I going to cry like a ****ing bitch when I have basically the same prospect on the roster.
bray is in no way basically the same prospect, and I like the guy.

But he never put up numbers Smith did. Not even close
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:19 PM   #304
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Geno wasn't that great anyway.


We got a guy that has more upside.
He has more arm talent for sure
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:20 PM   #305
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The irony of this is saying Geno is a head case, yet the UDFA Bray is a even bigger head case yet.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:20 PM   #306
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Just because I didn't want Geno doesn't mean I didn't or don't want to draft a quarterback.
like I said I wish we would have draft Geno but I wouldnt have ****ing played his the ass year one nor am I going to cry like a ****ing bitch when I have basically the same prospect on the roster.
this post makes no sense either.

You didn't want Geno but you wish we had drafted him?
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The undrafted player is a better prospect with higher upside than the 39th pick. It's like stockholm syndrome. I guess 20+ years of Carl Peterson will do that.

(And I like Bray....)
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If 5 years from now, Bray is a stud and one of the best QBs in the league, will you give a **** how he was acquired?
No.

Now let me ask you a question.

If it's 5 years from now and we still haven't found an elite QB for this team, and all we've been doing is screwing around with Alex Smith as the starter plus whatever random late round/undrafted QB prospects we've been cycling through as potential, will you finally say "Enough is e****ingnough?"

I ask this because this is exactly what we've been doing since 1983. 30 years. So how much longer is it going to take for you to understand that it's unwise to try to put food on the table for your family by purchasing lottery tickets? Because that's ALL THE CHIEFS EVER ****ING DO.
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bray is in no way basically the same prospect, and I like the guy.

But he never put up numbers Smith did. Not even close
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Bray has a better arm and better size than Geno. The only thing Geno has over Bray is mobility.

Do you think Geno would have put up those numbers against the SEC? Geno padded his stats early in the season and then declined dramatically as the competition got better.
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(And I like Bray....)
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The undrafted player is a better prospect with higher upside than the 39th pick. It's like stockholm syndrome. I guess 20+ years of Carl Peterson will do that.

(And I like Bray....)
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Bray has a better arm and better size than Geno. The only thing Geno has over Bray is mobility.

Do you think Geno would have put up those numbers against the SEC? Geno padded his stats early in the season and then declined dramatically as the competition got better.
Bray's accuracy in college wasn't even in the same zip code as Geno's. Bray was a wild cannon out there chucking it all over the field.
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The undrafted player is a better prospect with higher upside than the 39th pick. It's like stockholm syndrome. I guess 20+ years of Carl Peterson will do that.

(And I like Bray....)
To be fair, the 39th pick in the draft was considered the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft on here... so it's a sliding scale.
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Bray has a better arm and better size than Geno. The only thing Geno has over Bray is mobility.

Do you think Geno would have put up those numbers against the SEC? Geno padded his stats early in the season and then declined dramatically as the competition got better.
who knows what he would have done against the sec, on a sec team.

he had a couple of wrs/rb and that's about it. Not much talent on that team
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