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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

siberian khatru · 11-20-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

What's really maddening about this is that Herm seems to think everyone expects the #1 offense.

WE DON'T. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE REALIZE THAT IS GONE AND NOT COMING BACK.

The vast majority of fans would probably be satisfied with the offense as it produced last year.

I agree with this, too.

Most of the criticisms aren't of the "do the exact opposite" variety, i.e., "let's throw the ball 50 times a game."

Most critics, IMO, understand and accept Herm's strategy (at least in the Indy game). They just want to see some tactical changes. Go deep occasionally to loosen up the D. Call plays that force the D to defend the whole field. Throw on first down. Throw past the down markers. We have a QB now that, I think, can do that stuff better than the old one.

It's about how and when you pass, not how much. But when every pass is a virtual extension of the running game, you're not gonna accomplish much.

BigRock · 11-20-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

What's really maddening about this is that Herm seems to think everyone expects the #1 offense.

WE DON'T. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE REALIZE THAT IS GONE AND NOT COMING BACK.

Do you read this forum? There's plenty of stupid people who don't realize that.

**Buzz** · 11-20-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I agree with this, too.

Most of the criticisms aren't of the "do the exact opposite" variety, i.e., "let's throw the ball 50 times a game."

Most critics, IMO, understand and accept Herm's strategy (at least in the Indy game). They just want to see some tactical changes. Go deep occasionally to loosen up the D. Call plays that force the D to defend the whole field. Throw on first down. Throw past the down markers. We have a QB now that, I think, can do that stuff better than the old one.

It's about how and when you pass, not how much. But when every pass is a virtual extension of the running game, you're not gonna accomplish much.

and score some damn points!

siberian khatru · 11-20-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefanatic

and score some damn points!

Now you're just being unrealistic. That's Arena League stuff. This is the NFL, son.

**Buzz** · 11-20-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Now you're just being unrealistic. That's Arena League stuff. This is the NFL, son.

This team is such a joke. Did anyone else notice Terry Bradshaw giggle when the Chief’s were mentioned at halftime? Pathetic just pathetic.

FAX · 11-20-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I agree with this, too.

Most of the criticisms aren't of the "do the exact opposite" variety, i.e., "let's throw the ball 50 times a game."

Most critics, IMO, understand and accept Herm's strategy (at least in the Indy game). They just want to see some tactical changes. Go deep occasionally to loosen up the D. Call plays that force the D to defend the whole field. Throw on first down. Throw past the down markers. We have a QB now that, I think, can do that stuff better than the old one.

It's about how and when you pass, not how much. But when every pass is a virtual extension of the running game, you're not gonna accomplish much.

Well stated, Mr. siberian khatru. That's exactly how I feel.

Interestingly, none of those items necessarily lead to additional danger to Brodie from the baddies. In fact, they would reduce the danger.

FAX

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

If you judge him on what his says in his press conferences and his parrot like ability to repeat himself both in his words and actions I predict we'll see no more success under Herm than we did with Gunther.

Good point, they are the same people, but just look different.

TEX · 11-20-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I find it amazing how a QB change reveals what the real problem on offense is?

I just remember last week, or a couple of weeks ago how many were bashing Huard. Croyle showed us he is better then Huard, and has upside, but just look how that shows and reveals who the real problem is?

Amazing.

I backed Huard, but he was part of the problem towards the end. However, you're correct in that Herm Edwards philosophy is the biggest offensive liability on this team. Has been from day one.

melbar · 11-20-2007, 07:23 PM

OK. So at the end of last year the high octane offense puts too much pressure on the D. Now the low octane Offense is putting too much pressure on the D. Which is it?

CoMoChief · 11-20-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

OK. So at the end of last year the high octane offense puts too much pressure on the D. Now the low octane Offense is putting too much pressure on the D. Which is it?

There was no high octane offense last season. I dont know what games you were watchin.

**Rain Man** · 11-20-2007, 07:33 PM

Herman Edwards thinks that Bill Belichick is really screwing up by scoring all those points.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Herman Edwards thinks that Bill Belichick is really screwing up by scoring all those points.

Rain Man, have your permanently altered you brain chemistry or something?

**Rain Man** · 11-20-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Rain Man, have your permanently altered you brain chemistry or something?

Have you ever heard about that phenomenon where people's hair turns white if they live through a highly traumatic event? Well, last Sunday turned my attitude white.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Have you ever heard about that phenomenon where people's hair turns white if they live through a highly traumatic event? Well, last Sunday turned my attitude white.

What color was your attitude before?

**Bearcat** · 11-20-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

What's really maddening about this is that Herm seems to think everyone expects the #1 offense.

WE DON'T. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE REALIZE THAT IS GONE AND NOT COMING BACK.

The vast majority of fans would probably be satisfied with the offense as it produced last year.

The media needs to call him out on it, but lure him in...

Herm, your strategy worked well for 3 quarters, and really kept the team in the game. It was 10-10 after 3 quarters, and I know no one in this room thought that would happen [chuckle]. However, after Croyle had just driven the team down for a touchdown and forced the Colts to punt, you deferred on offense and gave the ball back to soon-HoF quarterback and commercial star Peyton Manning. You forced the Colts to punt again, yet deferred again. Exactly how many times would you have done that until you realized the Colts aren't going to do anything stupid either, and actually try to score points on offense?

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