Chiefs *****The Patrick Mahomes Thread***** - Page 203

Dante84 · 09:40 AM

IT ****ING HAPPENED

OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-04-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hell of a listen here from a 610 podcast about the Maclin move and the dynamics of it. Chiefs fans have to give it a listen.

06/04 The Show Hr1 - Maclin, Andy,&7-Eleven
http://www.610sports.com/sites/g/fil...1%206-4-17.mp3

Talks about the fact that Maclin's release, and pretty much every move the franchise makes going forward revolves around Mahomes. Every move is about what's best for Mahomes and his development. A lot of good stuff in it and a nice overall perspective. Also discusses how Andy is showing a killer instinct lately, ala Belichick.

I now have Sunday wood.

Thank you very much!

**New World Order** · 06-04-2017, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hell of a listen here from a 610 podcast about the Maclin move and the dynamics of it. Chiefs fans have to give it a listen.

06/04 The Show Hr1 - Maclin, Andy,&7-Eleven
http://www.610sports.com/sites/g/fil...1%206-4-17.mp3

Talks about the fact that Maclin's release, and pretty much every move the franchise makes going forward revolves around Mahomes. Every move is about what's best for Mahomes and his development. A lot of good stuff in it and a nice overall perspective. Also discusses how Andy is showing a killer instinct lately, ala Belichick.

Sweet mother of god

YES

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-04-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Sweet mother of god

YES

The times?

They are a-changin'.

In58men · 06-04-2017, 09:20 PM

I come to this thread when I'm in a bad mood. After reading a page or two I log off as the happiest guy in the world. I've been waiting years for this.

RunKC · 06-05-2017, 09:33 AM

Chiefs Provide Perfect Environment for Patrick Mahomes' Development
DOUG FARRAR

As a result, the Chiefs have had a reliable but limited quarterback situation. They can trust Smith to do what he does and nothing more. Through his four years in Kansas City, he's averaged 312 completions on 483 attempts for 3,392 yards, 19 touchdowns and seven interceptions per season, with little variance from year to year.

The system isn't exciting and has a clear ceiling, but it works for the most part. Still, you can't blame a coach for wanting to bust out of that predictable set of results, especially when they put disproportionate pressure on the defense and the running game to make up for the explosive plays Smith can't create.

Just as Harbaugh stuck with the tantalizing upside of Colin Kaepernick after Smith suffered a concussion halfway through the 2012 season, the Chiefs' need for more dynamic plays informed the decision to move up and take Mahomes, despite him having played in a college offense that hasn't produced anything close to an NFL-level quarterback.

Smith completed 15 passes of 20 or more yards in the air last season, according to Pro Football Focus, ranking 25th in the NFL. Mahomes, meanwhile, threw 15 touchdowns on passes 20 or more yards in the air for Texas Tech last year, per PFF, with 35 completions. That's why the Chiefs wanted him, and that's why they're smart to let Smith hold down the fort until Mahomes is ready to seize control.

Though the systems differ from school to school, most spread quarterbacks are accustomed to thin playbooks with simple play verbiage, stuff that's easy to spit out when you're in a no-huddle offense.

"[College spread quarterbacks] never had to say, 'Red Switch Right Closed End Right Split Z Halfback Flat' — they don't know who to talk to when and when to take a breath," Childress told Clark.

That's the common issue, but based on Mahomes' conversation with Bleacher Report in mid-April, Chiefs fans shouldn't fret too much about his ability to pick up the verbiage of Reid's offense from a complexity standpoint. When asked for the most complicated play call he had in college, he gave this back in rapid-fire fashion—not just the call, but the concept:

"Probably 'Green Rug Rock Pop 2 East Bill Log 95 Z Post B Will.' Pop is play action, and the formation is Green Rug Rock—that's the backs behind me. Rug means that the B back [second running back] is on the line of scrimmage. We have our 'Y' receiver in the game, and our 'Z' receiver, and the H-back is out [away from the formation]. 'Pop 2 East Bill Log' means that we're going to fake our outside zone to the right, with the B-back blocking in front. We're going to fake that. 'Log' means the backside tackle is going to lock on the [backside defensive] end, and '95' is our concept of the play. We tag a Z Post [the 'Z' receiver running a post route], and for the B-back, we tag a 'Will.' [the second running back blocking the weak-side linebacker]."

Mahomes will have to learn an NFL playbook, and he'll have to adjust to defenses that are far better and more complex than anything he had to deal with in college, but that's par for the course with college quarterbacks. He's coming from a no-huddle system in which he didn't go under center, and the nature of the offense he played in forced defenses to blitz infrequently and drop to cover areas of the field far more often. Mahomes seems aware of the differences, and in this environment, he's en route to the development he'll need.

But Mahomes will need to move past the tendency to freelance far too much with deep passes if he's going to be a consistent distributor in Reid's offense. His four interceptions on deep passes in 2016 tell a far more positive story than what the tape shows. Against Texas, he threw seven deep balls that could have been picked. Some almost were to varying degrees, and they certainly could have been against NFL defenders who are far more efficient and practiced at closing to (and catching) the ball.

Fish · 06-05-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Smith completed 15 passes of 20 or more yards in the air last season, according to Pro Football Focus, ranking 25th in the NFL. Mahomes, meanwhile, threw 15 touchdowns on passes 20 or more yards in the air for Texas Tech last year, per PFF, with 35 completions. That's why the Chiefs wanted him, and that's why they're smart to let Smith hold down the fort until Mahomes is ready to seize control.

**** Smith.

RunKC · 06-05-2017, 10:19 AM

From that article, Childress and Kaepernick's college coach were hired to analyze how college offenses differ from those in the NFL and how best to ease a transition.

The Chiefs were preparing for Mahomes since 2013. Technically preparing for Derek Carr, but Andy's arrogance with Alex got in the way.

Crazy to think that the Chiefs have been preparing Mahomes 2017 development plan for so long. They are proactive as hell.

**RealSNR** · 06-05-2017, 12:03 PM

This snippet is the perfect explanation of why it's silly to think that Deshaun Watson is any more ready to be a starting QB in the NFL than Mahomes:

Quote:

That's the common issue, but based on Mahomes' conversation with Bleacher Report in mid-April, Chiefs fans shouldn't fret too much about his ability to pick up the verbiage of Reid's offense from a complexity standpoint. When asked for the most complicated play call he had in college, he gave this back in rapid-fire fashion—not just the call, but the concept:

"Probably 'Green Rug Rock Pop 2 East Bill Log 95 Z Post B Will.' Pop is play action, and the formation is Green Rug Rock—that's the backs behind me. Rug means that the B back [second running back] is on the line of scrimmage. We have our 'Y' receiver in the game, and our 'Z' receiver, and the H-back is out [away from the formation]. 'Pop 2 East Bill Log' means that we're going to fake our outside zone to the right, with the B-back blocking in front. We're going to fake that. 'Log' means the backside tackle is going to lock on the [backside defensive] end, and '95' is our concept of the play. We tag a Z Post [the 'Z' receiver running a post route], and for the B-back, we tag a 'Will.' [the second running back blocking the weak-side linebacker]."

Mahomes will have to learn an NFL playbook, and he'll have to adjust to defenses that are far better and more complex than anything he had to deal with in college, but that's par for the course with college quarterbacks. He's coming from a no-huddle system in which he didn't go under center, and the nature of the offense he played in forced defenses to blitz infrequently and drop to cover areas of the field far more often. Mahomes seems aware of the differences, and in this environment, he's en route to the development he'll need.

What the hell did Watson ever do that gives him an edge in the mental aspect of being a pro QB? Just watch his QB camp episode. The guy has NEVER had to call plays longer than 3 goddamn words. Mahomes has, or at least he knows the concepts. Yes, Watson can learn, but his starting point is LOWER than where Mahomes is.

Halfcan · 06-05-2017, 01:39 PM

I can't wait to see 2PM run out of the tunnel at Arrowhead as starting QB of the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs!!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-05-2017, 07:12 PM

Great stuff.

Gawt DAMN I love reading about the Chiefs again!

I love the way these authors feel the need to give us a disclaimer for Mahome's intelligence:

"Mahomes has never run an offense like Andy Reid's, but don't worry folks; HE'S NOT A COMPLETE MORON"!

Jeebus...

Hog's Gone Fishin · 06-05-2017, 07:37 PM

I had not seen this before, maybe you all have but anyway. Its nice.

**Baby Lee** · 06-05-2017, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Its nice.

Please no leftie passes.

**Dave Lane** · 06-05-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

You DO realize that I did NOT want Murray to start, yes?

Eh, who cares. A young stud QB will soon be running this offense after learning whatever valuable information he may get from Smith before Reid tosses him in to the garbage heap Kap-style.

I hope Andy wipes his ass after burrito night on Smiths jersey before he tosses it in his bag.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-05-2017, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I hope Andy wipes his ass after burrito night on Smiths jersey before he tosses it in his bag.

penbrook · 06-07-2017, 09:14 AM

Per Tim Krasovic

Chiefs rookie QB Pat Mahomes comes off as an all-in type. Working w/youth QBs in Coronado this past weekend, he was attentive, patient.

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06-05-2017, 09:33 AM	#3035
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-60389	Chiefs Provide Perfect Environment for Patrick Mahomes' Development DOUG FARRAR As a result, the Chiefs have had a reliable but limited quarterback situation. They can trust Smith to do what he does and nothing more. Through his four years in Kansas City, he's averaged 312 completions on 483 attempts for 3,392 yards, 19 touchdowns and seven interceptions per season, with little variance from year to year. The system isn't exciting and has a clear ceiling, but it works for the most part. Still, you can't blame a coach for wanting to bust out of that predictable set of results, especially when they put disproportionate pressure on the defense and the running game to make up for the explosive plays Smith can't create. Just as Harbaugh stuck with the tantalizing upside of Colin Kaepernick after Smith suffered a concussion halfway through the 2012 season, the Chiefs' need for more dynamic plays informed the decision to move up and take Mahomes, despite him having played in a college offense that hasn't produced anything close to an NFL-level quarterback. Smith completed 15 passes of 20 or more yards in the air last season, according to Pro Football Focus, ranking 25th in the NFL. Mahomes, meanwhile, threw 15 touchdowns on passes 20 or more yards in the air for Texas Tech last year, per PFF, with 35 completions. That's why the Chiefs wanted him, and that's why they're smart to let Smith hold down the fort until Mahomes is ready to seize control. Though the systems differ from school to school, most spread quarterbacks are accustomed to thin playbooks with simple play verbiage, stuff that's easy to spit out when you're in a no-huddle offense. "[College spread quarterbacks] never had to say, 'Red Switch Right Closed End Right Split Z Halfback Flat' — they don't know who to talk to when and when to take a breath," Childress told Clark. That's the common issue, but based on Mahomes' conversation with Bleacher Report in mid-April, Chiefs fans shouldn't fret too much about his ability to pick up the verbiage of Reid's offense from a complexity standpoint. When asked for the most complicated play call he had in college, he gave this back in rapid-fire fashion—not just the call, but the concept: "Probably 'Green Rug Rock Pop 2 East Bill Log 95 Z Post B Will.' Pop is play action, and the formation is Green Rug Rock—that's the backs behind me. Rug means that the B back [second running back] is on the line of scrimmage. We have our 'Y' receiver in the game, and our 'Z' receiver, and the H-back is out [away from the formation]. 'Pop 2 East Bill Log' means that we're going to fake our outside zone to the right, with the B-back blocking in front. We're going to fake that. 'Log' means the backside tackle is going to lock on the [backside defensive] end, and '95' is our concept of the play. We tag a Z Post [the 'Z' receiver running a post route], and for the B-back, we tag a 'Will.' [the second running back blocking the weak-side linebacker]." Mahomes will have to learn an NFL playbook, and he'll have to adjust to defenses that are far better and more complex than anything he had to deal with in college, but that's par for the course with college quarterbacks. He's coming from a no-huddle system in which he didn't go under center, and the nature of the offense he played in forced defenses to blitz infrequently and drop to cover areas of the field far more often. Mahomes seems aware of the differences, and in this environment, he's en route to the development he'll need. But Mahomes will need to move past the tendency to freelance far too much with deep passes if he's going to be a consistent distributor in Reid's offense. His four interceptions on deep passes in 2016 tell a far more positive story than what the tape shows. Against Texas, he threw seven deep balls that could have been picked. Some almost were to varying degrees, and they certainly could have been against NFL defenders who are far more efficient and practiced at closing to (and catching) the ball.
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06-05-2017, 10:19 AM	#3037
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-60389	From that article, Childress and Kaepernick's college coach were hired to analyze how college offenses differ from those in the NFL and how best to ease a transition. The Chiefs were preparing for Mahomes since 2013. Technically preparing for Derek Carr, but Andy's arrogance with Alex got in the way. Crazy to think that the Chiefs have been preparing Mahomes 2017 development plan for so long. They are proactive as hell.
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06-07-2017, 09:14 AM	#3045
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