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The Allen is better than Mahomes stuff is to be expected. Same old Manning is a better passer and more talented than Brady even though Brady won all the rings.
Honestly a lot of this stuff is normal rationalization/cope after losing in the playoffs. It's a tough pill to swallow, and we've been there pre-Mahomes, but eventually you have to accept it and move on to next season. The last comment though is just sad. Wants his team to be recognized for its greatness for doing nothing rather than waiting for them to actually win and earn it. |
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yes sure give him a participation trophy for letting the trade happen LOL how about s trophy for not throwing TDs to a WR for a whole season
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Allen is better than Mahomes at getting trucked on QB runs and looking dopey and stupid at the ends of playoff games. That's about it. It's what Nick Wright said a year or two ago. There is no Brady/Manning rivalry between Mahomes and Allen. Mahomes gets to be Brady AND Manning. Allen gets to be... old man Brett Favre? |
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Anyone who thinks allen is a better passer than mahomes is nuts. I think Allen is a better runner but I that is extremely dangerous and they are gonna get burnt by going to those plays too often. Allen can throw some pretty passes .. but Mahomes makes so many plays that just make you go "that was the best play I've ever seen".. And he just keeps doing it over and over... Its glorious.
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These are really two different things. His typical style of play wouldn’t get you further, but he had the abilities to play beyond that style. He could have ran more, thrown downfield or past the sticks more, taken more risks, etc but that just wasn’t him.
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Allen has the ability to match Pat. I don't know that anyone else really does if they are both just playing at their best.
Burrow probably does as well. |
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Pat's success was the result of a perfect storm. Not only his immense talent and upside, but going to the right team, with the right coach and the right support system. They all combined to create what we have now. Whether you like it or not, Smith was a part of that, regardless of his on field failures. I hated Smith the quarterback as much as anybody. Nobody was as happy as I was when they traded him away. But Smith the mentor made up for it. Amazing that I got your labia to swell so much over a post where I likened him to Huard. ![]() |
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He was smart, I get that. He was tough. He did have good athletic abilities. But vision is also ability. I think one of the things that separates winning QBs of today is looking downfield. That's why Lamar lost.. he didn't look downfield under pressure. That's also an ability. Keeping your cool and looking downfield. Another one is ball velocity. Mahomes has that extra ball velocity to allow him to hit tighter windows more accurately farther down field. And creativity... making something out of nothing... instead of checking down or shitting your pants. The mental attitude of the killer instinct... style is a function of your ability... Smith did not have the ability to do these things consistently so it wasn't his style. Pat does and it is.
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Let's ignore the fact that Allen for the better part of his career has almost always had a better defense compared to Mahomes and he still can't win the big game. Let's ignore Allen totally had multiple chances to beat us this year, got every lucky bounce possible, and still couldn't put us away. Eventually, you have to beat the man to be the man. |
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I just don't think it mattered if it was Alex Smith . he was not important factor in that "storm" . replace Alex Smith with any other QB other than Alex Smith and actually use YOUR logic. You're telling me we don't win Suberbowls in 2019, 2022, and 2023 if it's a different QB under Reid in 2017. Bullshit and hilarious.
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Yes, Smith did not have the ability to be Mahomes. Obviously. What he did have is the ability to be better than he was and maybe go a round or two further in the playoffs. But he valued conservative play more than making plays. It’s not a coincidence that probably his best two seasons, 2012 and 2017, came when he was probably thinking he was in his last season with the respective team and felt pressure to play better. Both seasons were his highest two Y/A and AY/A by a pretty large margin. He had the abilities to be better. |
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The answer is, who the **** knows? Would Pat have weathered the storm had Smith been a truculent, petty douche to the guy he absolutely knew was going to take his job, who was selected specifically because he wasn't good enough? Probably, but not as well. And what effect would it have had on the team and Reid's handling of things, if they had to deal with a bunch of internal butthurt and infighting? It all mattered. Every little bit of it. |
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