Money Class action lawsuit filed over Jackson County assessments - Page 20

Hammock Parties · 07:57 AM

https://www.kctv5.com/2023/06/25/cla...y-assessments/

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (KCTV) - A new class action lawsuit challenges the quality of Jackson County’s property assessment. It calls into question if some increases are even legal considering some notices came in the mail after the June 15 deadline, as required by state statutes.

The filing asks a judge to step in and offer injunctive relief. It also calls for a jury trial.

The lawsuit was filed by attorney and developer Ken McClain on behalf of Trevor and Amanda Tilton of Odessa and two businesses.

The lawsuit is critical of the methodology used by Jackson County to reach new values. It argues the newly-built assessment system fails to include sufficient information and there’s a lack of physical inspections.

It points out assessments should consider current market conditions. It argues that didn’t happen when it came to commercial property.

The lawsuit claims Jackson County uniformly increased the value of every non-vacant commercial property with an improvement by 25%. And vacant commercial properties had an across-the-board increase of roughly 50%.

KCTV5 has heard from numerous homeowners who are shocked by the large increases in their assessments. Some question if they’ll be able to keep their homes. They also question if they can realistically sell when property tax assessments increase so much in one fell swoop.

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There has been a 30% average increase in Jackson County. The Assessor’s Office argues homeowners are seeing large increases because Jackson County real estate has not been assessed with Fair Market Valuations (FMV) for a long time and building costs have increased.

The lawsuit is filed against Jackson County Executive Frank White, Assessor Gail McCann Beatty and other members of the Board of Equalization.

KCTV5 reached out to Jackson County’s public information officer for comment but we have not heard back yet.

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**kysirsoze** · 07-09-2023, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

There were over 100 people there.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Wow this is going to be epic. I will be out of town unfortunately. Capping increases at 2% would be HUGE.

Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state & local officials to find solutions 4 #KansasCity @JacksonCountyMO pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn
— Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) July 8, 2023

There were over 100 people there.

Capping increases at 2% is how you guarantee shitty neighborhoods and the continued decline of an area. Enjoy your eventual ghetto.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 07:37 AM

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Over 700,000 people in Jackson County and “over a hundred people” showed up to protest. That’ll show em’.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 07:42 AM

Clay, your rep messages are pretty weak. If you really hope that I die horribly in my sleep tonight or that I should kill myself, at least be man enough to post that kind of stuff out in the open where everyone can see it.

Woogieman · 07-09-2023, 07:42 AM

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It’s not going to be worse next time. It’s just finally getting the assessments in line with the value of the homes. There are certainly exceptions where the homes are being overvalued and hopefully on appeal this gets corrected.

You haven’t been paying your fair share the last couple of years when your home was severely undervalued.

The home's valuation is half the equation. The total amount of property tax (you are charged is the important figure. I have seen countless examples of retirees on fixed incomes that have 2024 bills that will be more than $3,000 more than 2023. Because the process has been mismanaged and based on inaccurate individual home data for a long time, now residents are paying dearly for county govt. incompetence again, only this time, they won't be able to afford the higher taxes due to inflation, which easily eats up the 8.7% average increase to SS. The easy, common sense answer was to cap the increases and allow the elderly and low-income to more easily adjust their budgets, or make repairs so they can maximize the sale, but of course few govt. entities actually work for the citizens, they just keep collecting more obcene amounts of your money for projects you didn't vote on or for slush funds that will allow the politicians to run for higher offices.

Hammock Parties · 07-09-2023, 07:43 AM

Wow this is going to be epic. I will be out of town unfortunately. Capping increases at 2% would be HUGE.

Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state & local officials to find solutions 4 #KansasCity @JacksonCountyMO pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn
— Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) July 8, 2023

stevieray · 07-09-2023, 07:48 AM

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Gee, it’s almost like the value of real estate increases over time. What it cost to build a home has **** all to do with current value.

Ya eight k profit after twenty years is a smokin deal.

it's the land, not the house.

**lewdog** · 07-09-2023, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Wow this is going to be epic. I will be out of town unfortunately. Capping increases at 2% would be HUGE.

Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state & local officials to find solutions 4 #KansasCity @JacksonCountyMO pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn
— Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) July 8, 2023

Convenient that we should Belize you'll be out of town for the biggest protest of your life. I'd be cancelling any plans to make sure I could help get this rectified.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman

The home's valuation is half the equation. The total amount of property tax (you are charged is the important figure. I have seen countless examples of retirees on fixed incomes that have 2024 bills that will be more than $3,000 more than 2023. Because the process has been mismanaged and based on inaccurate individual home data for a long time, now residents are paying dearly for county govt. incompetence again, only this time, they won't be able to afford the higher taxes due to inflation, which easily eats up the 8.7% average increase to SS. The easy, common sense answer was to cap the increases and allow the elderly and low-income to more easily adjust their budgets, or make repairs so they can maximize the sale, but of course few govt. entities actually work for the citizens, they just keep collecting more obcene amounts of your money for projects you didn't vote on or for slush funds that will allow the politicians to run for higher offices.

When these people’s homes were undervalued for years did they go to the city and appeal to have the valuation adjusted to be more realistic? Hell no, they were happy to pay taxes on a home assessed far below market value. I don’t want to see anyone lose their home and maybe there is a way to adjust the process for those that need it (a cap for those on SS, payment plans, etc…) but the others like Clay who are just bitching to bitch, need to pay their taxes.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 07:51 AM

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Ya eight k profit after twenty years is a smokin deal.

it's the land, not the house.

I’m not sure where you think the injustice is in your example. It’s a free market. The price is decided by what someone is willing to pay for it.

stevieray · 07-09-2023, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I’m not sure where you think the injustice is in your example. It’s a free market. The price is decided by what someone is willing to pay for it.

Sure, people are overpaying for homes, have been for sometime.

The price is decided by the county when they tell you how much it's worth.

Woogieman · 07-09-2023, 07:57 AM

"Gee, it’s almost like the value of real estate increases over time."...Do counties ever decrease the valuations in deflationary periods? Do they consider that the increase in top range values in a given neighborhood or market are are due homes that have been completely renovated and reflect "farmhouse/industrial/scandanavian" features, and that the elderly and low-income do NOT renovate their homes, therefore have valuation far below the top range. The top range is easy, you have have sale data from the past three years, and that is fair...its the inability or unwillingness to value properties on a granular level that is the problem here. They paid people to canvass the blocks and make some kind of judgments based on exterior visuals, which has proven to be inadequate. Perhaps their goal all along is to turn over properties and force the elderly and low-income out? That's certainly the most efficient way to ensure renovations and a higher tax base.

Woogieman · 07-09-2023, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

When these people’s homes were undervalued for years did they go to the city and appeal to have the valuation adjusted to be more realistic? Hell no, they were happy to pay taxes on a home assessed far below market value. I don’t want to see anyone lose their home and maybe there is a way to adjust the process for those that need it (a cap for those on SS, payment plans, etc…) but the others like Clay who are just bitching to bitch, need to pay their taxes.

Most people don't understand the mill rate basis and only understand the bottom line figure, which is included in what they can affors for a monthly mortgage payment. Most people understand that Jackson Co. funding $2mm for opioid addiction, stripping $42mm from the police and reserving it for "community engagement services", and funding pro sports stadiums. Most people understand that when your mortgage payment suddenly increases by $290/mo and you're on a fixed income, there isn't adequate time to make formulate a strategy. As is true of all levels of govt., they have completely forsaken their mission statement, and have become self-perpetuating, Diocletian monsters that have live by "reules for thee, and not for me".

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Sure, people are overpaying for homes, have been for sometime.

The price is decided by the county when they tell you how much it's worth.

Nobody is overpaying. Again, the price is determined by what someone is willing to pay. The price is also not decided by the county as most assessments are intentionally below market value by 5-10% on purpose. The county assessment of our home is roughly 70k below what the market says I could sell it for which is about 8% below market value. Our assessment went up 14% this year as real estate prices have continued to increase.

**LoneWolf** · 07-09-2023, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman

Most people don't understand the mill rate basis and only understand the bottom line figure, which is included in what they can affors for a monthly mortgage payment. Most people understand that Jackson Co. funding $2mm for opioid addiction, stripping $42mm from the police and reserving it for "community engagement services", and funding pro sports stadiums. Most people understand that when your mortgage payment suddenly increases by $290/mo and you're on a fixed income, there isn't adequate time to make formulate a strategy. As is true of all levels of govt., they have completely forsaken their mission statement, and have become self-perpetuating, Diocletian monsters that have live by "reules for thee, and not for me".

Anyone rolling their taxes into their house payment is making a mistake. You are at the mercy of your mortgage lender and their rules of escrow. It ends up actually costing you more money each month. Also, that $290/month figure is not happening to poor people or people on a fixed income. The average payment increase per month for that demographic is around $40-50 per month. There are exceptions like the story of the people whose 1,500 sq. ft. home was valued at 18K and increased to a realistic 140k.

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