*****The Joshua Williams Thread*****

[Dante84]

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[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Williams hasn't been giving up TD's when he plays.

It’s often harder to diagnose blown assignments when players are in zone coverages, especially zones as complicated as the coverages Spags’ rolls out. Spags shown he values knowledge of his assignments more than anything (it was always rumored that this was why Willie didn’t see the field as much as we thought he would). Even Bolton had to wait a while before he saw the field for this reason.

[Dunerdr]

Johnson was pretty sticky at least in the early part of the game. They may feel like he's close to turning a corner with more reps and an adjustment to game speed. Williams has looked like hot garbage in his limited time at corner this year.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

It’s often harder to diagnose blown assignments when players are in zone coverages, especially zones as complicated as the coverages Spags’ rolls out. Spags shown he values knowledge of his assignments more than anything (it was always rumored that this was why Willie didn’t see the field as much as we thought he would). Even Bolton had to wait a while before he saw the field for this reason.

Spags may need to adapt then because Johnson is a sitting duck out there and Williams is not getting exposed like he is. He played 100% of the snaps against The Bucs and wasn't picked on at all.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Johnson was pretty sticky at least in the early part of the game. They may feel like he's close to turning a corner with more reps and an adjustment to game speed. Williams has looked like hot garbage in his limited time at corner this year.

This is nonsense. Johnson is trash and is getting picked on constantly. Williams hasn't given up a TD in ages.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

He felt different about Sorenson too!!..I'm sure you agreed right?

Yes, but it's not like Johnson has been playing at some level well below Williams. Or even clearly below Williams.

At this point they may like the Johnson upside more or think he's very deserving of at least a shot whereas they know what they have in Williams. And they - like most of us - haven't seen anything very good.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yes, but it's not like Johnson has been playing at some level well below Williams. Or even clearly below Williams.

At this point they may like the Johnson upside more or think he's very deserving of at least a shot whereas they know what they have in Williams. And they - like most of us - haven't seen anything very good.

Show me a game this season or even last season where Williams was picked on? Can he get beat on a play? Sure. Can he give up a dumb penalty? Sure. But the guy doesn't give up TD's these days and he doesn't get picked on. The danger signs are there for Johnson. I just hope Spags sees them.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

This is nonsense. Johnson is trash and is getting picked on constantly. Williams hasn't given up a TD in ages.

Williams had no idea what his role was. He probably wasn't credited with the touchdown because he was so far away from where he was supposed to be. Re-watch when Watson went down, ****ing hell he was bad. Bit on fakes, ran to the flats letting WR run free. Several plays were given up with Bolton and Reid trying to cover for Williams being out of shape. I specifcally remember a Williams Tranquil hand off that was wrong. Williams took the wrong guy after tranquil was yelling at him pre snap. Tranquil was way behind because he had to chase his guy down late.

Much like Sorenson they'd prefer the guy in the right spot who's more limited to the guy who's more athletic but cant get on the right guy. See Willie Gay/ Drue Tranquil.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Williams had no idea what his role was. He probably wasn't credited with the touchdown because he was so far away from where he was supposed to be. Re-watch when Watson went down, ****ing hell he was bad. Bit on fakes, ran to the flats letting WR run free. Several plays were given up with Bolton and Reid trying to cover for Williams being out of shape. I specifcally remember a Williams Tranquil hand off that was wrong. Williams took the wrong guy after tranquil was yelling at him pre snap. Tranquil was way behind because he had to chase his guy down late.

Much like Sorenson they'd prefer the guy in the right spot who's more limited to the guy who's more athletic but cant get on the right guy. See Willie Gay/ Drue Tranquil.

Once again this is nonsense imo. The only guy picked on after Watson went down was Johnson. He gave up big plays downfield to allow the Niners to score late. I asked a question yet no-one is prepared to answer it. Show me where Williams has been picked on or given up a TD in recent times? You can waffle on about coverages all day long. But the guy isn't costing us points like Johnson. Fullstop.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Once again this is nonsense imo. The only guy picked on after Watson went down was Johnson. He gave up big plays downfield to allow the Niners to score late. I asked a question yet no-one is prepared to answer it. Show me where Williams has been picked on or given up a TD in recent times? You can waffle on about coverages all day long. But the guy isn't costing us points like Johnson. Fullstop.

And I said Williams wasn't even in position to give up the touchdown because he had no idea where to be. They both ****ing suck dude. Your asking to replace why Bartee isn't playing over Kendrick Lewis. One gives up the play at the point of attack. The other is on the wrong side of the field.

It's like saying we should play year 3 Dee Ford who's running away from the ball carrier over Breeland Speaks who's in position to sack Brady but doesn't.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

And I said Williams wasn't even in position to give up the touchdown because he had no idea where to be. They both ****ing suck dude. Your asking to replace why Bartee isn't playing over Kendrick Lewis. One gives up the play at the point of attack. The other is on the wrong side of the field.

It's like saying we should play year 3 Dee Ford who's running away from the ball carrier over Breeland Speaks who's in position to sack Brady but doesn't.

Your assumption is speculative with no evidence to prove it. Dude played In AFC championships and the superbowl and you think he doesn't know Spags's scheme by now? Smh

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Your assumption is speculative with no evidence to prove it. Dude played In AFC championships and the superbowl and you think he doesn't know Spags's scheme by now? Smh

I literally gave examples of the failed switch off with Tranquil you dope. That's not speculative. He's played like he thinks he has safety help and has. And one play in the Bucs game he stayed with his man on a crosser instead of handing him off to Reid. It was one of the plays were Otton didn't have anyone within 5 yards of him.

The dudes the most physically impressive corner on the roster, however the coaching staff and snap counts "speculate" with what I've said.

[suzzer99]

You guys bitching about Johnson are exactly like everyone bitching about Morris until Kingsley got significant playing time and everyone went "Ohh yeah, that's why he's not in there."

Johnson isn't great, but I've seen Chiefs CBs get torched much much worse in recent memory. Given how he was on the field all night and Allen wasn't even looking McDuffie's way, Johnson could have had his number called a whole lot more, IE - Scandrick, Mike Hughes, etc.

The two big plays to Cooper he got burned on weren't terrible coverage, just crazy throws and catches on plays he was left on an island due to the blitz. If the first throw to Cooper isn't dropped in a bucket and Cooper doesn't make an insane play on the second, we're all saying Nazi had a damn good game.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Our HOF-worthy DC obviously feels different.

I choose him over you.

Oh shut up and have football conversation instead of doing this in every thread imaginable where people just want to talk about football.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

You guys bitching about Johnson are exactly like everyone bitching about Morris until Kingsley got significant playing time and everyone went "Ohh yeah, that's why he's not in there."

Johnson isn't great, but I've seen Chiefs CBs get torched much much worse in recent memory. Given how he was on the field all night and Allen wasn't even looking McDuffie's way, Johnson could have had his number called a whole lot more, IE - Scandrick, Mike Hughes, etc.

The two big plays to Cooper he got burned on weren't terrible coverage, just crazy throws and catches on plays he was left on an island due to the blitz. If the first throw to Cooper isn't dropped in a bucket and Cooper doesn't make an insane play on the second, we're all saying Nazi had a damn good game.

There's that Cooper guy's name being mentioned again.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Johnson was pretty sticky at least in the early part of the game. They may feel like he's close to turning a corner with more reps and an adjustment to game speed. Williams has looked like hot garbage in his limited time at corner this year.

Nah