Chiefs 2025 Chiefs: the Great Reset? - Page 2

scho63 · 02-13-2025, 05:39 AM

Successful teams in NFL history have seen a boom time end for a variety of reasons:
- Team ages out and great veterans retire
- Slew of injuries
- Hall of Fame QB retires or his talent declines
- Salary cap kills roster
- Consecutive years of bad drafts
- Their division improves dramatically
- Ownership, management or coaching changes for the worse
- Team turmoil or unforseen events/tragedy

The Chiefs are facing several of these as we begin the offseason.

Since Mahomes, no team has played more games or has longer seasons than the Chiefs. It seemed to show a little this year as the regular season came to a close.

We have become so spoiled since PM III that the idea of not making the playoffs or the AFC Championship game seems laughable.

With so many challenges of trying to sign all our FA's, the fatigue of all these long seasons, the strong possibility of Travis Kelce's retirement and all the roster holes like our Oline, what is the likelihood we have a setback this year and either miss the playoffs, not win the division or get knocked out early?

Would it be a tragedy to have a short season for the year and not deal with any extra games?

Could this be our first BIG reset year? We did reset after Tampa Bay in some ways and it worked out with no disruption to our making the playoffs.

I would rather a year of completely fixing our entire Oline at the expense of the making the playoffs vs having Mahomes suffer another year of the beating he took in 2024. The 6 sacks and complete destruction of him during the Super Bowl was the culmination and cherry on top of what was a real setback year for him. Yeah we made the Super Bowl and that sounds crazy picking on Patrick but numbers don't lie.

Don't want to see him suffer a major injury due to the failure of the Oline. That strip sack and hit he took was scary. Looked like his arm was nearly ripped out of the socket and then he was smacked in the face hard.

So here is the multiple choice question:
A. Do you think we get worse and miss the playoffs or early exit?
B. Do you think we get better and WIN the Super Bowl?
C. Same 'ol same 'ol cause Reid and Mahomes
D. We do.a one year rebuild and take a mini-break from the playoffs

I would be perfectly OK with a 1 year reset if we came back "stronger, better, faster", just like the Six Million Dollar Man.

**loochy** · 02-13-2025, 07:52 AM

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**BigRedChief** · 02-13-2025, 08:10 AM

No, not a reset but we do need to quit paying our players top of the market contracts. We have $71 million tied up in 3 offensive linemen this cap year. I was good with all the contracts but now we also will need to pay a LT too. Thats another $25+ million. I think the OL is a priority. That said, we need to cut salary in other positions.

The cuts are going to hurt elsewhere. Like paying Bolton a top $ contract for being a great run stopper. We need LB's with more speed to cover the RB/LB's out of the backfield. FTR, I love Bolton as a player but this is just a cap thing. Just like Reid is still at the top of his game but we need to let him go.

posted in another thread but seemed more relevant here
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smithandrew051 · 02-13-2025, 08:30 AM

I don’t think the quality of draft picks the last two years is an issue so much as the quantity.

The little moves for late round picks really add up over time. Eventually, we’ll need to part with an ascending player for picks.

I 100% understand going in for the 3-peat. Now that it’s off the table, play the long game. The window is open as long as 15 is under center.

scho63 · 02-13-2025, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Womble

First off, don't patronise me you whore addicted frump.

You did not simply ask questions. You came up with a scenario that we will miss the playoffs and then said you'd be okay with it. In fact you ask if we are going to miss the playoffs three times and then follow up with a question about whether it would be a tragedy if we missed the playoffs.

It seems that you're obsessed about the chance of missing the playoffs which is why I said it's an overreaction.

Your response proves you have the reading comprehension and temperament of a juvenile.

**cabletech94** · 02-13-2025, 08:40 AM

we will have a much different roster next year with all the expiring contracts. i don't know how that will affect our status next season.
what i do know is that we have an amazing GM and crew that will get us players that will keep us competitive. In Veach we trust.

dallaschiefsfan · 02-13-2025, 08:42 AM

With such massive rosters, there's also a diversity of personalities and degrees of mental toughness/focus on NFL teams. My only concern has always been that not everyone is as hungry and focused as Patrick, Kelce, etc. That's why you replace players that you think have grown complacent or tired (or just in it for their payday) with rooks or players that have never won. I've noticed this runs in 3-4 year cycles. Regular champs like the Chiefs can't afford to keep players - even talented ones - that are not obsessed with being great.

**BigRedChief** · 02-13-2025, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cabletech94

we will have a much different roster next year with all the expiring contracts. i don't know how that will affect our status next season.
what i do know is that we have an amazing GM and crew that will get us players that will keep us competitive. In Veach we trust.

We had the OL embarrass us in a SB. He fixed that Oline in one off season. He can do it again. Indeed in Veach we trust.

smithandrew051 · 02-13-2025, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We had the OL embarrass us in a SB. He fixed that Oline in one off season. He can do it again. Indeed in Veach we trust.

I’m probably in the minority but I don’t think the OL is the disaster that some believe it is.

It was an awful awful game. No doubt.

Still though, Creed is as good as they get at center. Same with Thuney at left guard. In 6 of the 7 postseason games he’s played here, Taylor has been perfectly fine at RT.

Trey Smith will be replaced, likely with someone already on the roster. Maybe Kingsley, Wanya, or Nourzad. The other two are fine depth.

Really just leaves LT. Fix that and the whole OL looks night and day. Obviously, that’s easier said than done.

Womble · 02-13-2025, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Your response proves you have the reading comprehension and temperament of a juvenile.

My reading comprehension is fine.

I don't even need the added context of you being prone to massive overreactions in the past to come to this conclusion. I believe what my eyes tell me.

**Indian Chief** · 02-13-2025, 08:59 AM

There are simply too many shitty teams for the Chiefs to miss the playoffs, outside of some insane scenario.

SHOWTIME · 02-13-2025, 09:05 AM

The Pats did a reset after 2008 after guys like Bruschi, Vrabel, Rodney, and others just retired. It took NE a few years to really start to contend again and that began with their 2010 draft where they took Gronk and McCourtey. With that said I wouldn't give up on the current group of players like Kelce for at least another year. Like others have stated, sign a FA left tackle and put Kingsley or draft a guard to replace Trey Smith. It will make a big difference. Whether it's good enough to win another SB we'll find out but it's really the best/only option. A new LT from the draft will take time to develop.

Deberg_1990 · 02-13-2025, 09:11 AM

Tank for a top 5 pick next year

Womble · 02-13-2025, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Tank for a top 5 pick next year

We already tried that by going into a season with Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney and MVS as our top 3 WRs. We ended up with pick 32.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-13-2025, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

The Pats did a reset after 2008 after guys like Bruschi, Vrabel, Rodney, and others just retired. It took NE a few years to really start to contend again and that began with their 2010 draft where they took Gronk and McCourtey. With that said I wouldn't give up on the current group of players like Kelce for at least another year. Like others have stated, sign a FA left tackle and put Kingsley or draft a guard to replace Trey Smith. It will make a big difference. Whether it's good enough to win another SB we'll find out but it's really the best/only option. A new LT from the draft will take time to develop.

This. New England did this frequently. We also did it a few years ago when we unloaded mathieu, hitchens, tyreek etc… we happened to win a Super Bowl. I don’t think this rebuild will be as easy as the last, but it can be quick and painless. Don’t be afraid to trade our picks. Try to lose just enough players to get comp picks.

It’s always painful to say but I think we need to lose some guys on defense and reinvest in the offense. Our overall team is rebuilding but we need to also use next year to start rebuilding mahomes too

**HemiEd** · 02-13-2025, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I don’t think the quality of draft picks the last two years is an issue so much as the quantity.

The little moves for late round picks really add up over time. Eventually, we’ll need to part with an ascending player for picks.

I 100% understand going in for the 3-peat. Now that it’s off the table, play the long game. The window is open as long as 15 is under center.

You mean like Tyreek Hill and Sneed?

02-13-2025, 05:39 AM
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-20000	2025 Chiefs: the Great Reset? Successful teams in NFL history have seen a boom time end for a variety of reasons: - Team ages out and great veterans retire - Slew of injuries - Hall of Fame QB retires or his talent declines - Salary cap kills roster - Consecutive years of bad drafts - Their division improves dramatically - Ownership, management or coaching changes for the worse - Team turmoil or unforseen events/tragedy The Chiefs are facing several of these as we begin the offseason. Since Mahomes, no team has played more games or has longer seasons than the Chiefs. It seemed to show a little this year as the regular season came to a close. We have become so spoiled since PM III that the idea of not making the playoffs or the AFC Championship game seems laughable. With so many challenges of trying to sign all our FA's, the fatigue of all these long seasons, the strong possibility of Travis Kelce's retirement and all the roster holes like our Oline, what is the likelihood we have a setback this year and either miss the playoffs, not win the division or get knocked out early? Would it be a tragedy to have a short season for the year and not deal with any extra games? Could this be our first BIG reset year? We did reset after Tampa Bay in some ways and it worked out with no disruption to our making the playoffs. I would rather a year of completely fixing our entire Oline at the expense of the making the playoffs vs having Mahomes suffer another year of the beating he took in 2024. The 6 sacks and complete destruction of him during the Super Bowl was the culmination and cherry on top of what was a real setback year for him. Yeah we made the Super Bowl and that sounds crazy picking on Patrick but numbers don't lie. Don't want to see him suffer a major injury due to the failure of the Oline. That strip sack and hit he took was scary. Looked like his arm was nearly ripped out of the socket and then he was smacked in the face hard. So here is the multiple choice question: A. Do you think we get worse and miss the playoffs or early exit? B. Do you think we get better and WIN the Super Bowl? C. Same 'ol same 'ol cause Reid and Mahomes D. We do.a one year rebuild and take a mini-break from the playoffs I would be perfectly OK with a 1 year reset if we came back "stronger, better, faster", just like the Six Million Dollar Man.
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02-13-2025, 08:10 AM	#17
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $128962 VARSITY	No, not a reset but we do need to quit paying our players top of the market contracts. We have $71 million tied up in 3 offensive linemen this cap year. I was good with all the contracts but now we also will need to pay a LT too. Thats another $25+ million. I think the OL is a priority. That said, we need to cut salary in other positions. The cuts are going to hurt elsewhere. Like paying Bolton a top $ contract for being a great run stopper. We need LB's with more speed to cover the RB/LB's out of the backfield. FTR, I love Bolton as a player but this is just a cap thing. Just like Reid is still at the top of his game but we need to let him go. posted in another thread but seemed more relevant here ___________ __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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02-13-2025, 08:30 AM	#18
smithandrew051 I Like The Kansas City Chiefs Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Shawnee, KS Casino cash: $264400	I don’t think the quality of draft picks the last two years is an issue so much as the quantity. The little moves for late round picks really add up over time. Eventually, we’ll need to part with an ascending player for picks. I 100% understand going in for the 3-peat. Now that it’s off the table, play the long game. The window is open as long as 15 is under center. __________________ My 2024 Adopt a Chief: Leo Chenal My Guy 2025 NFL Draft: Devin Neal, RB, Kansas Holy Hat!
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cabletech94 Everything is Awesome!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Pitt Casino cash: $-713195	we will have a much different roster next year with all the expiring contracts. i don't know how that will affect our status next season. what i do know is that we have an amazing GM and crew that will get us players that will keep us competitive. In Veach we trust. __________________ Originally Posted by Big Smoke May as well laugh. Otherwise I will probably break shit.
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3368850	With such massive rosters, there's also a diversity of personalities and degrees of mental toughness/focus on NFL teams. My only concern has always been that not everyone is as hungry and focused as Patrick, Kelce, etc. That's why you replace players that you think have grown complacent or tired (or just in it for their payday) with rooks or players that have never won. I've noticed this runs in 3-4 year cycles. Regular champs like the Chiefs can't afford to keep players - even talented ones - that are not obsessed with being great. __________________
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