2024's Red zone failures

[scho63]

Boy, we sure have sucked balls in the redzone this year.

Thought Kareem and Dhop would help but last game we were 1 of 5 and this year we are at the bottom of the bottom third.

Can blame some on tackles but down inside the 20 you aren't holding the ball for very long.

I think the play calling has been poor and it seems our formations are so recognizable.

The inside shuffle pass has lost its luster.

We seem to have forgotten the jet sweep or quick slants.

I don't think we have had too many penalties inside the 20 but don't have the stats.

Who gets the blame here?

[DRM08]

They keep running those gimmick plays that go nowhere. Wasted snaps.

[LongSufferingToady]

We have poor blocking and protection. Fix that and the run game as well as the passing game will be fine.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Andy doesn't love running the ball. I'm not counting shovel passes or WR reverses as runs. It's just not in his mindset.

Yeah, I know.

Love Andy, but wish he would just RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Especially when your OT's suck ass, and you have TWO really good RB's.

If for nothing else, go run heavy so that when you DO pass the ball, you've slowed the pass rush down a little and play-action will work.

[DenverChief]

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 3.12
2019: 2.59
2020: 2.74
2021: 2.71
2022: 2.71
2023: 2.01
2024: 2.42

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 52.6%
2019: 48.8%
2020: 47.9%
2021: 48.2%
2022: 46.4%
2023: 39.3%
2024: 46.6%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 171 plays, 68 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 63/96 Comp/Att, 35 TD, 1 INT, 7 Sacks (29.8% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2019: 138 plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 33/67 Comp/Att, 11 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sacks (19.5% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2020: 152 plays, 63 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 51/85 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (23% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2021: 187 plays, 79 Ru Att, 15 TD's, 62/101 Comp/Att, 26 TD, 3 INT, 7 Sacks (21.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2022: 209 plays, 84 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 73/123 Comp/Att, 34 TD, 3 INT, 2 Sacks (23.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2023: 171 plays, 72 Ru Att, 8 TD's, 58/94 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks, (19.2% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2024: 144 plays, 64 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 49/75 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (17.3% of red zone plays ended in a TD)

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's one of those low sample size stats that don't mean a ton... Mahomes hits a few passes and they at least go from bottom 3rd to the top half.

Nothing with that shovel pass makes sense at this point besides some big reach that they keep going to that well so other teams will prep for it, just to do some fake shovel play in the playoffs or just setup looks for later...

Could be. I have thought that maybe they keep running it just set up something different in the playoffs.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I really don't understand why we just won't RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Especially this week, with Hunt AND Pacheco.

RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Then play-action pass some in there. Slow the pass rush down. Help your terrible offensive tackles.

RUN THE ****ING BALL.

The offensive line didn't get any push at all. The running game was ass on Friday and that's why they abandoned it. Can't be in 3rd and 8 all the time.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by scho63

Boy, we sure have sucked balls in the redzone this year.

Thought Kareem and Dhop would help but last game we were 1 of 5 and this year we are at the bottom of the bottom third.

Can blame some on tackles but down inside the 20 you aren't holding the ball for very long.

I think the play calling has been poor and it seems our formations are so recognizable.

The inside shuffle pass has lost its luster.

We seem to have forgotten the jet sweep or quick slants.

I don't think we have had too many penalties inside the 20 but don't have the stats.

Who gets the blame here?

Nagy/Reid play calling

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yeah, I know.

Love Andy, but wish he would just RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Especially when your OT's suck ass, and you have TWO really good RB's.

If for nothing else, go run heavy so that when you DO pass the ball, you've slowed the pass rush down a little and play-action will work.

Reid: We're getting a lot of pressure to run the ball in the red zone. Let's line up Kelce in the shotgun. Direct snap. He'll RPO to Worthy in motion right to left then pitch it to Mahomes who's standing to the right of Kelce, who will then hand it off to Hardman who comes from the left.

That should shut them up for a week.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 3.12
2019: 2.59
2020: 2.74
2021: 2.71
2022: 2.71
2023: 2.01
2024: 2.42

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 52.6%
2019: 48.8%
2020: 47.9%
2021: 48.2%
2022: 46.4%
2023: 39.3%
2024: 46.6%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 171 plays, 68 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 63/96 Comp/Att, 35 TD, 1 INT, 7 Sacks (29.8% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2019: 138 plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 33/67 Comp/Att, 11 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sacks (19.5% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2020: 152 plays, 63 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 51/85 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (23% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2021: 187 plays, 79 Ru Att, 15 TD's, 62/101 Comp/Att, 26 TD, 3 INT, 7 Sacks (21.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2022: 209 plays, 84 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 73/123 Comp/Att, 34 TD, 3 INT, 2 Sacks (23.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2023: 171 plays, 72 Ru Att, 8 TD's, 58/94 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks, (19.2% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2024: 144 plays, 64 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 49/75 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (17.3% of red zone plays ended in a TD)

Just to compare (Baltimore Ravens)

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 2.06
2019: 2.95
2020: 2.56
2021: 1.97
2022: 1.90
2023: 2.37
2024: 2.82

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 40.7%
2019: 51.8%
2020: 45.3%
2021: 38.5%
2022: 38.9%
2023: 43.1%
2024: 47.7%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 159 Plays, 91 Ru Att, 18 TD, 32/64 Comp/Att, 14 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sack (20.1%)
2019: 173 Plays, 104 Ru Att, 18 TD, 40/65 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 4 Sacks (24.8%)
2020: 156 Plays, 94 Ru Att, 19 TD, 39/59 Comp/Att, 19 TD, 3 Sacks (24.3%)
2021: 150 Plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD, 45/75 Comp/Att, 17 TD, 3 INT, 8 Sacks (22%)
2022: 168 Plays, 88 Ru Att, 12 TD, 36/76 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (16%)
2023: 180 Plays, 107 Ru Att, 23 TD, 45/68 Comp/Att, 18 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (22.7%)
2024: 107 Plays, 58 Ru Att, 14 TD, 33/48 Comp/Att, 22 TD, 1 Sack (33%)

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I really don't understand why we just won't RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Especially this week, with Hunt AND Pacheco.

RUN THE ****ING BALL.

Then play-action pass some in there. Slow the pass rush down. Help your terrible offensive tackles.

RUN THE ****ING BALL.

I would agree most any week. But Friday we were running for 1.9yds/carry, so I can't blame Andy for trying to pivot.

[RINGLEADER]

Mahomes has missed a lot of wide open receivers for short and long TDs this season but I don’t blame him for most of it. I think playing without a LT really affects his timing a lot more than most realize or Mahomes will admit.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I would agree most any week. But Friday we were running for 1.9yds/carry, so I can't blame Andy for trying to pivot.

That’s pretty much what Andy said. But his short passing game didn’t seem to be there either.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

That’s pretty much what Andy said. But his short passing game didn’t seem to be there either.

Yeah. OTs and the IOL both were inconsistent, to say the least, which didn't help at all. JJSS seems to be invisible in the RZ, and most anywhere else for that matter. We need the OL to do better, and someone else besides Nuk has to step up a little.

[jjchieffan]

I've been wondering if it's Nagy. Last year, the offense struggled all year. But after the Christmas Day loss, something changed. I'm thinking that Reid quietly took over the play calling at that point. But he let Nagy take it back for the regular season this year. Andy will take over again when it's playoff time and things will turn around again. Maybe. I don't know. Just seems to make sense to me.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive line didn't get any push at all. The running game was ass on Friday and that's why they abandoned it. Can't be in 3rd and 8 all the time.

Someone should let Andy know they discovered several different types of rushes, and that it's not against the rules to call something other than hb blast.