Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 2

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

MeaTy The Pimp · 03-07-2020, 09:17 PM

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At the same time, we won the Superbowl with those guys, after an off-season where everyone was in panic more over who our corners were going to be. You remember, we definitely weren't going to.win a title because our secondary sucked. So I think I might be okay with a similar approach in 2020, just pull guys off the heap wherever you can and make it work.

In hindsight, I am glad we never got to pull the trigger on Ramsey. While I think that he is a good player, if we would have gotten him, then I don't think that there is any way we would have been able to sign Jones.

Chieftain · 03-07-2020, 09:22 PM

CJ is not worth Khalil Mack money. In fact, he should not make more than Tyreek. 18 million is the ceiling for him. Do a 5 year deal with $50 million guaranteed. If CJ objects, trade his ass.

Red Dawg · 03-07-2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by e3263518

CJ is not worth Khalil Mack money. In fact, he should not make more than Tyreek. 18 million is the ceiling for him. Do a 5 year deal with $50 million guaranteed. If CJ objects, trade his ass.

What? He is worth Mack money and is better than Mack. We just won't be able to pay him what he wants.

ForeverIowan · 03-07-2020, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Don’t preach the Patriot Way bullshit.

Weak division.
Proven cheaters.
Owner makes the tv contracts happen.

They’ve had their run, with asterisks I might add.

Time for the KC-Mahomes era.

In a league designed for parity, there is something to be learned from a two decade dynasty in terms of how to manage the cap. Nothing more, nothing less.

Chief Northman · 03-07-2020, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

In a league designed for parity, there is something to be learned from a two decade dynasty in terms of how to manage the cap. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah - pay your qb under the table.

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 11:15 PM

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CJ is not worth Khalil Mack money. In fact, he should not make more than Tyreek. 18 million is the ceiling for him. Do a 5 year deal with $50 million guaranteed. If CJ objects, trade his ass.

God damn you are a stupid mother ****er. Post less kill yourself

Chieftain · 03-08-2020, 12:00 AM

Is the **** above going to get an infraction for that post?

**BossChief** · 03-08-2020, 12:06 AM

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Run along, sport.

BlackOp · 03-08-2020, 12:21 AM

CJ's position is one of the hardest to replace...the top 10-15 picks are littered with teams trying to find the next "Jones".

It's not a glamour position...so fans undervalue it.

It should be a top priority to keep him...should have been SB MVP. He took over when it mattered most...that's what you want to see from your high money players.

If they were to move him...they will be trying to replace him with whatever compensation they get. That has to factor into the cost...draft capital, the new player's salary...and the risk that he might suck.

Keep him and draft DB/LB...he's a proven commodity.

Rasputin · 03-08-2020, 12:26 AM

We've had a run on DL they haven't all panned out like we expected them too so just for that Chis Jones is worth keeping however Veach can make it work. I hope we can get a deal done and I wouldn't want play against him if we let him walk no way.

Sign him and possibly restructure his deal later if we have too but he needs remain a Chief.

dlphg9 · 03-08-2020, 03:08 AM

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Is the c.unt above going to get an infraction for that post?

Lmao, probably need to find a cold place soon. Fragile snowflakes dont do well in the heat.

You have to be borderline reeruned because you're post does break one of the big rules. Filter evasion is a big no no. Tool bag

Rasputin · 03-08-2020, 06:21 AM

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Is the c.unt above going to get an infraction for that post?

Die in Aids Fire ****

tyecopeland · 03-08-2020, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by e3263518

Is the c.unt above going to get an infraction for that post?

No. Telling somebody to kill himself is totally cool here, unless you have a thread about being deeply depressed. Then it could be cause for a ban.

But putting a period between a bad word is always against the rules.

**Perineum Ripper** · 03-08-2020, 07:35 AM

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Is the c.unt above going to get an infraction for that post?

Mods are going to skull **** you for filter evasion.

Get ready for the pain junior.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 03-08-2020, 07:48 AM

I've come to the conclusion he's replaceable. Veach has shown he can identify talent in the draft. Pennel made more of a difference than Jones last year. If we can trade him for a 2nd and third or a 2nd in both 2020 and 21 to a team drafting top 10 I say do it.

How about detroit. Patricia would love having Jones.

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2825267	CJ's position is one of the hardest to replace...the top 10-15 picks are littered with teams trying to find the next "Jones". It's not a glamour position...so fans undervalue it. It should be a top priority to keep him...should have been SB MVP. He took over when it mattered most...that's what you want to see from your high money players. If they were to move him...they will be trying to replace him with whatever compensation they get. That has to factor into the cost...draft capital, the new player's salary...and the risk that he might suck. Keep him and draft DB/LB...he's a proven commodity.
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $245421	We've had a run on DL they haven't all panned out like we expected them too so just for that Chis Jones is worth keeping however Veach can make it work. I hope we can get a deal done and I wouldn't want play against him if we let him walk no way. Sign him and possibly restructure his deal later if we have too but he needs remain a Chief. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1419523	I've come to the conclusion he's replaceable. Veach has shown he can identify talent in the draft. Pennel made more of a difference than Jones last year. If we can trade him for a 2nd and third or a 2nd in both 2020 and 21 to a team drafting top 10 I say do it. How about detroit. Patricia would love having Jones.
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