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Megatron96 · 03:37 PM

So this past Sunday, the AFC West went 3 out of 3 against the NFC North, a division populated by the Packers (7-2) and the Vikings (6-3), two playoff caliber teams.

Perhaps three, if we include the Lions (3-4-1) who are the outside looking in right now, but have proven statistically and on the field that they are a tough football team trending towards becoming a good one in the near future.

But somehow the Chiefs, Raiders, and Chargers all defeated their respective NFC North opponents over the weekend.

So the question must be asked: are our division rivals actually better than we thought they were? Why or why not?

This is a hypothetical question, btw. A mental exercise. I'm not saying that I believe that the Chargers/Broncos/Raiders are playoff caliber teams. Just thought it might be an interesting debate topic.

Megatron96 · 11-07-2019, 03:39 PM

I think some of you might have misunderstood the point of the topic. I'm not saying that I believe that the Chargers/Broncos/Raiders are playoff caliber teams. Just thought it might be an interesting football-related debate topic.

kcclone · 11-07-2019, 03:42 PM

Collectively they’re better than what I thought they were two weeks ago, but not better than I expected coming into the season.

Marcellus · 11-07-2019, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I think some of you might have misunderstood the point of the topic. I'm not saying that I believe that the Chargers/Broncos/Raiders are playoff caliber teams. Just thought it might be an interesting football-related debate topic.

Chargers are underperforming as per usual, Raiders are OK but not good, Broncos suck giant donkey dick and have no hope of being good in the near future.

ToxSocks · 11-07-2019, 03:47 PM

How could the Chargers be better than we thought when they were projected to be a 10-12 win team? They've already lost more games halfway through the season than they lost all last year.

The answer is **** No. They'll both be sub .500 teams by season's end.

**DaFace** · 11-07-2019, 03:48 PM

Coming into the season, I would have pegged the Raiders and Broncos at around 6-10 and the Chargers at around 9-7. I think the Raiders are better than I expected, but the others are still in that range.

staylor26 · 11-07-2019, 03:50 PM

The Raiders will probably be our biggest threat for the next few years.

And I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

**jjchieffan** · 11-07-2019, 03:50 PM

I still expect the Chiefs to go 6-0 in the AFC West. That's my metric. So no, they aren't any better than I thought.

**ptlyon** · 11-07-2019, 03:52 PM

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE

big nasty kcnut · 11-07-2019, 04:11 PM

Nope!

Megatron96 · 11-07-2019, 04:46 PM

But if the Chargers for example, are really as bad as we all thought they were this season (which gives me a warm feeling deep in the cockles), then how on Earth did they so thoroughly dominate the Packers? A team that we all thought were a Super Bowl caliber team just two weeks ago?

I refuse to believe that Philip Rivers is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers.

I doubt that Melvin Gordon is a much better RB than Jones.

I haven't kept up with who's actually playing WR for the Chargers, but could their WR corps really be that much better than the Packers receivers?

At TE I have to believe that the Packers have the edge there with Jimmy Graham. At least as a receiver.

The OL for the Packers kept Rodgers fairly clean until they ran into the Chiefs, while the Chargers OL has been kind of porous.

The Packers came into the contest 7-1, while the Chargers lost three of their last four to the likes of the Steelers, Broncos, and the Titans going into the contest.

So if it's not luck, and I don't believe in luck, what's the answer? Because, to put it in typical CP vernacular, the Packers got their poop pushed in Sunday.

Somewhere in all of this either the Packers are hiding a huge flaw, or the Chargers are a lot better than we've been giving them credit for.

ToxSocks · 11-07-2019, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

But if the Chargers for example, are really as bad as we all thought they were this season (which gives me a warm feeling deep in the cockles), then how on Earth did they so thoroughly dominate the Packers?

Because in the NFL shit changes week to week, and shit happens. People are putting way too much stock in a single win. One in which the Packers looked absolutely flat and off.

The Chargers are one week removed from meltdown code-red, now we're wondering if they're GOOD?

pssssshhh ****a pls.

NWTF · 11-07-2019, 05:08 PM

The Raiders are better than most people thought. Grudens better than most give him credit for. The roster itself is very meh.
The Chargers are worse than everyone thought. Some idiots picked them to win the west, but the talent is there to be above .500
The Donks at 3-6 are about where most people had them

Megatron96 · 11-07-2019, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Because in the NFL shit changes week to week, and shit happens. People are putting way too much stock in a single win. One in which the Packers looked absolutely flat and off.

The Chargers are one week removed from meltdown code-red, now we're wondering if they're GOOD?

pssssshhh ****a pls.

No, we're not wondering if they're good. You missed the point of the exercise. We're wondering, if they're really as bad as we thought, how did they beat the Packers. "Shit changes" while accurate in a broad sense, doesn't explain anything.

The point is to try to explain what happened using logic/rational argument(s).

I thought that might be more interesting to talk about than watching a video of some crazy Canadian lady screaming **** a lot after being caught cheating in a parking lot, that's all.

No disrespect to the OP of that video intended.

ToxSocks · 11-07-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

No, we're not wondering if they're good. You missed the point of the exercise. We're wondering, if they're really as bad as we thought, how did they beat the Packers. "Shit changes" while accurate in a broad sense, doesn't explain anything.

The point is to try to explain what happened using logic/rational argument(s).

I thought that might be more interesting to talk about than watching a video of some crazy Canadian lady screaming **** a lot after being caught cheating in a parking lot, that's all.

No disrespect to the OP of that video intended.

I thought the Chargers were a winning team until about week 2, then i figured they were a 7 win team. The win vs the Packers doesn't change that.

There's no comparing rosters, or schemes or any of that. To me it's pretty damn simple: The Chargers were desperate and played desperate, the Packers just rolled into town after a big primetime win thinking all they had to do was show up and they looked flat and out of rhythm. It happens.

If that were a best of 7 series, the Packers take it in 5.

Again, the Chargers were 1-week removed from absolute catastrophe. They barely hung on to beat a bad Bears team and the fans i know, to them it felt like a loss. Hell, prior to the trade deadline fans wondered if Rivers would get moved.

The team, fans and organization were in disarray even after the Bears win, because for the most part, even the lowly Bears outplayed them.

They had just gotten curb stomped and humiliated a week prior to the Steelers.

They just fired their freakin' OC mid season.

That team was on the ropes. And i didn't see anything in that Packers game that changed my mind about them.

It's an anomaly until proven otherwise.

ToxSocks · 11-07-2019, 05:22 PM

Now if you're a Chargers fan, or you don't want to believe me, then here's what you can hang your hat on (If you want to believe the Chargers have pulled it together).

1. New O.C. Possibly better play calling? Meh.

2. Okung is back so they have a LT to protect Rivers' blind side.

3. They got Melvin Ingrahm back for that Packers game.

4. They get Derwin James back soon.

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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1719600	But if the Chargers for example, are really as bad as we all thought they were this season (which gives me a warm feeling deep in the cockles), then how on Earth did they so thoroughly dominate the Packers? A team that we all thought were a Super Bowl caliber team just two weeks ago? I refuse to believe that Philip Rivers is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. I doubt that Melvin Gordon is a much better RB than Jones. I haven't kept up with who's actually playing WR for the Chargers, but could their WR corps really be that much better than the Packers receivers? At TE I have to believe that the Packers have the edge there with Jimmy Graham. At least as a receiver. The OL for the Packers kept Rodgers fairly clean until they ran into the Chiefs, while the Chargers OL has been kind of porous. The Packers came into the contest 7-1, while the Chargers lost three of their last four to the likes of the Steelers, Broncos, and the Titans going into the contest. So if it's not luck, and I don't believe in luck, what's the answer? Because, to put it in typical CP vernacular, the Packers got their poop pushed in Sunday. Somewhere in all of this either the Packers are hiding a huge flaw, or the Chargers are a lot better than we've been giving them credit for. Last edited by Megatron96; 11-07-2019 at 04:53 PM..
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