Chiefs Overthecap's comp picks projection - Page 2

RunKC · 01-07-2017, 01:29 PM

Just released today. Here's what we're projected:

Rd 3--rewarded for Sean Smith
Rd 5--rewarded for Chase Daniel
Rd 6--rewarded for Donald Stephenson

Rd 6--rewarded for TyVonn Branch

http://overthecap.com/projecting-201...y-draft-picks/

So all in all, looks like we have 11 picks:

1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7

Halfcan · 01-07-2017, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trivers

More Ammo for Dorsey!!!

Exactly, we let expensive, average talent players go and will replace them with cheaper, cap friendly players with hopefully more upside.

I don't miss any of them. A drunk driver, a clipboard holder, overpaid O linemen Donk traitor and a safety that made as many plays as he missed.

I hope we can turn our trash into gold next year as well.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2017, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trivers

Why would you trade today's picks for next year picks??

Bundle today's picks to MOVE UP in today's draft.

The reason to move some of this year's picks for 2018 picks is simple: There just aren't enough needs in 2017 to accommodate 11 draft picks.

The Chiefs have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with the looming retirements of guys like Hali and Johnson, they'll become even younger.

While there's definitely room for improvement at certain positions (guard, ILB, WR) and depth (RB, OLB, CB, S, QB, TE), there's not room for eleven additional players.

They'd be better off moving a pick or two in 2018 to use as additional ammo in that draft.

Dunerdr · 01-07-2017, 01:56 PM

I think I'd have rather had branch when the secondary got thin for a few games vs that comp pic

Hoover · 01-07-2017, 01:57 PM

Schwartz only canceled out Jeff Allen? Score!

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2017, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Just released today. Here's what we're projected:

Rd 3--rewarded for Sean Smith
Rd 5--rewarded for Chase Daniel
Rd 6--rewarded for Donald Stephenson

Rd 6--rewarded for TyVonn Branch

http://overthecap.com/projecting-201...y-draft-picks/

So all in all, looks like we have 11 picks:

1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7

The Chiefs will only have two 6th rounders, as they lose theirs due to the Maclin tampering.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2017, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I think I'd have rather had branch when the secondary got thin for a few games vs that comp pic

Branch spent more than half the year on IR, his usual M.O.

The Chiefs got a bargain.

Hoover · 01-07-2017, 02:00 PM

No extra picks for the Raiders since they were buyers!

O.city · 01-07-2017, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trivers

Why would you trade today's picks for next year picks??

Bundle today's picks to MOVE UP in today's draft.

We SHOULD draft 32rd this year.

How much ammo does it take to move up to 15ish to grab an impact player like Cunningham??

If there's someone they really like, sure move up. I don't think that works out very often and it's gonna take quite a bit to go up that high.

This is a good roster already, I don't thi k 11 picks are gonna make it.

O.city · 01-07-2017, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The reason to move some of this year's picks for 2018 picks is simple: There just aren't enough needs in 2017 to accommodate 11 draft picks.

The Chiefs have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with the looming retirements of guys like Hali and Johnson, they'll become even younger.

While there's definitely room for improvement at certain positions (guard, ILB, WR) and depth (RB, OLB, CB, S, QB, TE), there's not room for eleven additional players.

They'd be better off moving a pick or two in 2018 to use as additional ammo in that draft.

This.

They need to keep adding depth for sure and look to push guys down the roster, but 11 is alot.

RunKC · 01-07-2017, 02:06 PM

It's the same formula that worked in GB long ago and is now the norm in the NFL.

This is the 2nd major overhaul that this has worked with since Dorsey started here. Albert, DMC, Schwartz and T. Jackson all got big money in 2014 and all of them were busts. Just look at what Dorsey turned some of the comp picks from these players into:

Steven Nelson
DJ Alexander
Rakeem Nunez Roches

Amazing

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2017, 02:07 PM

Plus, it's one thing to make a single move up to get a guy. That can work, for sure, like in Chris Conley's case.

But generally speaking, if you're jumping up and down and all around during the draft, that means your board is pretty ****ed.

RunKC · 01-07-2017, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The reason to move some of this year's picks for 2018 picks is simple: There just aren't enough needs in 2017 to accommodate 11 draft picks.

The Chiefs have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with the looming retirements of guys like Hali and Johnson, they'll become even younger.

While there's definitely room for improvement at certain positions (guard, ILB, WR) and depth (RB, OLB, CB, S, QB, TE), there's not room for eleven additional players.

They'd be better off moving a pick or two in 2018 to use as additional ammo in that draft.

I would add that the 2018 QB class looks amazing and if we can't find that guy this year, I think the plan should be to stock up for a move in that draft.

**notorious** · 01-07-2017, 02:09 PM

Just in case people don't know how comp picks work:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...st-projections

The NFL offseason is once again heating up as organizations prepare for the announcement of which teams will be awarded compensatory picks in the 2014 NFL draft and where those selections will take place.
Should the NFL release the formula to determine compensatory picks?

Should the NFL release the formula to determine compensatory picks?
Yes
No
Total votes: 2,738

The basic philosophy of compensatory picks is that franchises that lost more free agents than they signed in the previous year will be awarded draft selections to make up for the losses, according to previously released documents from NFL.com

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Picks are awarded in the third through seventh rounds, and there are 32 total selections that can be awarded to teams that fit the criteria.

According to Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com, the official formula for determining which round and number the picks will take place is not public.

With the picks typically awarded during the owner’s meetings (Sunday through Wednesday), here are the rules and formula explanation based on how the previous years have played out and the latest projections from experts across the league.

Rules and Formula Explanation
Hannah Foslien/Getty Images

While the NFL has kept the formula determining the exact pick each team will get a secret, the basic rules for the compensatory selections is common knowledge thanks to publicly released documents from the league.

Compensatory draft pick determinations are based on the salary, playing time and postseason honors of the free agents each team lost during the previous offseason. For example, the Pittsburgh Steelers should receive one of the top compensatory picks after losing wide receiver Mike Wallace to the Miami Dolphins via free agency.

All of the compensatory pick talk can be very confusing, but the selections will likely be awarded Monday, per Tania Ganguli of ESPN:

Each team is allowed a maximum of four compensatory picks, and selections will only be awarded to organizations that signed fewer players than they lost to free agency. That does not include players cut, players released after signing the year before or players making the league minimum.

The exact formula for where each selection will take place may not be known, but the size of the contract each free agent signed has been a major determining factor in previous years.

Latest Projections

There are plenty projections surrounding which teams will get compensatory picks and where the selections will fall, but Craig Turner (via Kempski), who has established a reputation for accurately predicting these picks, has projected which team and where each selection will take place in the 2014 draft.
Projected Compensatory Draft Picks (via Philly.com) 3 Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Wallace
3 Green Bay Packers Greg Jennings
3 Baltimore Ravens Paul Kruger
3 San Francisco 49ers Dashon Goldson
4 Detroit Lions Gosder Cherilus
4 Baltimore Ravens Dannell Ellerbe
4 Houston Texans Connor Barwin
5 New York Jets LaRon Landry
5 Baltimore Ravens Cary Williams
5 Atlanta Falcons Brent Grimes
5 Pittsburgh Steelers Keenan Lewis
5 New York Giants Martellus Bennett
5 Baltimore Ravens Ed Reed
5 Houston Texans Glover Quin
6 New York Jets Mike DeVito
6 Green Bay Packers Erik Walden
6 New York Jets Dustin Keller
6 New England Patriots Patrick Chung
6 Cincinnati Bengals Manny Lawson
6 St. Louis Rams Brandon Gibson
6 New York Jets Shonn Greene
7 St. Louis Rams Bradley Fletcher
7 Dallas Cowboys Mike Jenkins
7 Cincinnati Bengals Pat Sims
7 St. Louis Rams Craig Dahl
7 St. Louis Rams Rob Turner
7 Dallas Cowboys Victor Butler
7 Cincinnati Bengals Bruce Gradkowski
7 Atlanta Falcons Will Svitek
7 Atlanta Falcons Christopher Owens
7 San Diego CHargers Shaun Phillips
7 Dallas Cowboys Kenyon Coleman

Jimmy Kempski, Philly.com

The projections help fans understand exactly why teams are awarded the picks. The bigger the contract and the more a player impacts his new team, the better his old team will be rewarded with compensatory selections.

The New York Giants made several moves last offseason, but Jordan Raanan of NJ.com is still expecting the team to be awarded a pick for the team’s losses:

So, with the Giants losing Umenyiora and Bennett and their only significant addition being Myers, the Giants should be rewarded. My prediction is they net a fourth-round pick in the upcoming 2014 NFL Draft.

According to Vaughn McClure of ESPN.com, the Atlanta Falcons are expecting several picks to make up for free-agent losses:

During this year's NFL combine, Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff said he anticipated receiving two to three compensatory draft picks this year. The Falcons currently have a pick in every round and own the sixth overall pick in the draft.

While the Falcons are expecting several selections, the Philadelphia Eagles are not likely going to get any, per Paul Domowitch of Philly.com:

This is an exciting time for teams that were dejected by losses in free agency, but ESPN’s Andrew Brandt points out the truth about the release of the picks:

NFL fans won’t be forced to wait very long for the outcome to all of the pertinent questions regarding compensatory picks, and Monday’s announcement will add even more intrigue to May’s draft.

This year's draft offers plenty of talent at various positions. As a result, any extra ammunition NFL teams can acquire is beneficial, especially with mid-round picks. For those teams expecting a few extra selections, this process could prove to be a significant factor in their draft plans.

**DaFace** · 01-07-2017, 02:10 PM

Nice. We're gonna lose a few key players after this year, but hopefully all that ammo means we'll be able to fill holes nicely.

Direckshun · 01-07-2017, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

We should have got somethin for Cooper. He had 4 int's for the Cards 63 tackles. More than Eric Berry.

Cooper's pick will come in 2018.

01-07-2017, 01:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1380389	Overthecap's comp picks projection Just released today. Here's what we're projected: Rd 3--rewarded for Sean Smith Rd 5--rewarded for Chase Daniel Rd 6--rewarded for Donald Stephenson Rd 6--rewarded for TyVonn Branch http://overthecap.com/projecting-201...y-draft-picks/ So all in all, looks like we have 11 picks: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7
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01-07-2017, 02:06 PM	#25
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1380389	It's the same formula that worked in GB long ago and is now the norm in the NFL. This is the 2nd major overhaul that this has worked with since Dorsey started here. Albert, DMC, Schwartz and T. Jackson all got big money in 2014 and all of them were busts. Just look at what Dorsey turned some of the comp picks from these players into: Steven Nelson DJ Alexander Rakeem Nunez Roches Amazing __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Plus, it's one thing to make a single move up to get a guy. That can work, for sure, like in Chris Conley's case. But generally speaking, if you're jumping up and down and all around during the draft, that means your board is pretty ****ed.
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01-07-2017, 02:09 PM	#28
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-714116	Just in case people don't know how comp picks work: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...st-projections The NFL offseason is once again heating up as organizations prepare for the announcement of which teams will be awarded compensatory picks in the 2014 NFL draft and where those selections will take place. Should the NFL release the formula to determine compensatory picks? Should the NFL release the formula to determine compensatory picks? Yes No Total votes: 2,738 The basic philosophy of compensatory picks is that franchises that lost more free agents than they signed in the previous year will be awarded draft selections to make up for the losses, according to previously released documents from NFL.com . Picks are awarded in the third through seventh rounds, and there are 32 total selections that can be awarded to teams that fit the criteria. According to Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com, the official formula for determining which round and number the picks will take place is not public. With the picks typically awarded during the owner’s meetings (Sunday through Wednesday), here are the rules and formula explanation based on how the previous years have played out and the latest projections from experts across the league. Rules and Formula Explanation Hannah Foslien/Getty Images While the NFL has kept the formula determining the exact pick each team will get a secret, the basic rules for the compensatory selections is common knowledge thanks to publicly released documents from the league. Compensatory draft pick determinations are based on the salary, playing time and postseason honors of the free agents each team lost during the previous offseason. For example, the Pittsburgh Steelers should receive one of the top compensatory picks after losing wide receiver Mike Wallace to the Miami Dolphins via free agency. All of the compensatory pick talk can be very confusing, but the selections will likely be awarded Monday, per Tania Ganguli of ESPN: Each team is allowed a maximum of four compensatory picks, and selections will only be awarded to organizations that signed fewer players than they lost to free agency. That does not include players cut, players released after signing the year before or players making the league minimum. The exact formula for where each selection will take place may not be known, but the size of the contract each free agent signed has been a major determining factor in previous years. Latest Projections There are plenty projections surrounding which teams will get compensatory picks and where the selections will fall, but Craig Turner (via Kempski), who has established a reputation for accurately predicting these picks, has projected which team and where each selection will take place in the 2014 draft. Projected Compensatory Draft Picks (via Philly.com) 3 Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Wallace 3 Green Bay Packers Greg Jennings 3 Baltimore Ravens Paul Kruger 3 San Francisco 49ers Dashon Goldson 4 Detroit Lions Gosder Cherilus 4 Baltimore Ravens Dannell Ellerbe 4 Houston Texans Connor Barwin 5 New York Jets LaRon Landry 5 Baltimore Ravens Cary Williams 5 Atlanta Falcons Brent Grimes 5 Pittsburgh Steelers Keenan Lewis 5 New York Giants Martellus Bennett 5 Baltimore Ravens Ed Reed 5 Houston Texans Glover Quin 6 New York Jets Mike DeVito 6 Green Bay Packers Erik Walden 6 New York Jets Dustin Keller 6 New England Patriots Patrick Chung 6 Cincinnati Bengals Manny Lawson 6 St. Louis Rams Brandon Gibson 6 New York Jets Shonn Greene 7 St. Louis Rams Bradley Fletcher 7 Dallas Cowboys Mike Jenkins 7 Cincinnati Bengals Pat Sims 7 St. Louis Rams Craig Dahl 7 St. Louis Rams Rob Turner 7 Dallas Cowboys Victor Butler 7 Cincinnati Bengals Bruce Gradkowski 7 Atlanta Falcons Will Svitek 7 Atlanta Falcons Christopher Owens 7 San Diego CHargers Shaun Phillips 7 Dallas Cowboys Kenyon Coleman Jimmy Kempski, Philly.com The projections help fans understand exactly why teams are awarded the picks. The bigger the contract and the more a player impacts his new team, the better his old team will be rewarded with compensatory selections. The New York Giants made several moves last offseason, but Jordan Raanan of NJ.com is still expecting the team to be awarded a pick for the team’s losses: So, with the Giants losing Umenyiora and Bennett and their only significant addition being Myers, the Giants should be rewarded. My prediction is they net a fourth-round pick in the upcoming 2014 NFL Draft. According to Vaughn McClure of ESPN.com, the Atlanta Falcons are expecting several picks to make up for free-agent losses: During this year's NFL combine, Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff said he anticipated receiving two to three compensatory draft picks this year. The Falcons currently have a pick in every round and own the sixth overall pick in the draft. While the Falcons are expecting several selections, the Philadelphia Eagles are not likely going to get any, per Paul Domowitch of Philly.com: This is an exciting time for teams that were dejected by losses in free agency, but ESPN’s Andrew Brandt points out the truth about the release of the picks: NFL fans won’t be forced to wait very long for the outcome to all of the pertinent questions regarding compensatory picks, and Monday’s announcement will add even more intrigue to May’s draft. This year's draft offers plenty of talent at various positions. As a result, any extra ammunition NFL teams can acquire is beneficial, especially with mid-round picks. For those teams expecting a few extra selections, this process could prove to be a significant factor in their draft plans.
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01-07-2017, 02:10 PM	#29
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1623101	Nice. We're gonna lose a few key players after this year, but hopefully all that ammo means we'll be able to fill holes nicely.
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