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Old 01-30-2014, 11:11 AM  
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Do you take Manziel at 23?
What if he falls?

A controversial, largely-thought-to-be-a-slam-dunk QB has dropped from time to time in the NFL Draft.

He could be Brady Quinn if we take him at 23, or he could be Aaron Rodgers.

Keep in mind, you've also likely got these candidates on the board as well:

WR Lee
WR Robinson
WR Benjamin
TE Seferian-Jenkins
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OT Richardson
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DE Tuitt
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:42 PM   #16
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Go back to Eric Fishers comments to the media after Dorsey cut him. He all but said they made their mind up who they were gonna draft already.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:54 PM   #17
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:58 PM   #18
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probably not. The Chiefs are pretty much set this year with Smith, Daniel and Bray or a low round pick.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:13 PM   #19
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Sure....but you aren't bringing a QB to the table who can "lock down" the position for 10 years.

This dude screams bust.
Yep. I'd rather us take the top rated between receiver, safety or pass rusher at 23. Or, use Manziel as trade bait for someone 10-15 spots under us and trade down and recoup our second rounder this year plus some.

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Go back to Eric Fishers comments to the media after Dorsey cut him. He all but said they made their mind up who they were gonna draft already.
This is what is commonly referred to as a "Freudian Slip".

99.99% sure you meant Eric Winston there.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:20 PM   #20
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If it came to our pick, with him on the board, and Cleveland calls with the 26 pick, plus their 2 and an extra 4, I'd jump at that.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:26 PM   #21
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Do you take Tebow at 23?

No, and the same applies to Manziel.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:30 PM   #22
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Yes, I would take Manziel in a heartbeat, but he'll need a "babysitter" or a chaperone so he doesn't **** up off the field though.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:35 PM   #23
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If it came to our pick, with him on the board, and Cleveland calls with the 26 pick, plus their 2 and an extra 4, I'd jump at that.
All of this.

Say no to Manziel. Sorry, Hog Jerker.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:41 PM   #24
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Would it surprise anyone if Dorsey did make that pick, maybe not necessarily Manziel, but one of the other top 4-5 QBs who may be there? I would rage if that happened, lol. Would have been so much better to select a player who could finally contribute as a rookie.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:44 PM   #25
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
I think that Manziel does a great Ryan Leaf impersonation.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:49 PM   #27
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I think that Manziel does a great Ryan Leaf impersonation.
How do you figure ? Their personalities are nothing alike nor are their skillsets.
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
They're totally different in terms of stature, throwing skills, and personalities, but quite similar in terms of what makes them intriguing prospects in the NFL. Why are some NFL teams interested in Manziel?

1) He's got a deep list of highlight reel plays. Some of them clutch, others that just make you go, "How the hell did he pull that off?"

2) He's perceived as a QB that just has (and I hate this cliche more than anything else in pro sports) "it". He's got an undefined trait that makes him do undefined things at given times. Uhh, what? But scouts and fans still buy into that bullshit all the time

3) He's very mobile, and can take your offense to dimensions that other QBs can't. You can have the pocket passer vs. scrambler debate all you want, but regardless of which side you come down on, it's a given that defenses at least will have to respect that part of his game that they won't have to respect when they play against Tom Brady.

But that's it. He doesn't run a pro offense. The decisions he makes on the field aren't able to be tracked by scouts. They're impulsive and risky. And while that's often very good, NFL coaches ****ing hate that shit if the QB can't take the edge off and just be smart and safe with the ball every once in awhile.

You're not drafting him for his talent or technique as a passer or for his smarts (although there's nothing to say that he can't become a very cerebral QB at the next level). You're drafting him for undefined talents. That's EXACTLY what Tim Tebow was. It was a moron coach in Josh McDaniels who said, "Man, he's got all these great things he does in college with the football that no other QB does! If I can just teach him to do X, Y, and Z we'll be all set! It may take some time, but I think it can work."

Manziel is a Colin Kaepernick type QB. If you want to take him and sit him for awhile, then great. Nothing wrong with that. If you're aware that he's a high risk high reward kind of QB and the reason for drafting him is to hopefully come out at the end with a rapeface of a QB, then fine. But he's not a "must pick" kind of QB. He's not an Aaron Rodgers kind of QB where you say, "Wow, THIS guy fell that far? How can we not draft him?" He's not even like Brady Quinn in that regard, either. He's a QB for a team interested in taking an "Eh, why the **** not?" shot. That's not what I call a "You just gotta draft this guy" prospect.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:53 PM   #29
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The problem and solution you are getting with Manziel is that he's Fran Tarkenton on the field and Joe Namath off it.

He's an absolute leader and phenom on the field. He's got a really good arm and can make all the throws. And he's got wheels. And he's got instincts that are simply off the charts. And he's a prima donna party animal lunatic.

If I'm the Texans, I pick him. If I'm the Jaguars, I pick him. If I'm the Browns, I pick him. If I'm the Raiders, I pick him. If I'm the Vikings, I pick him. And I wait for him to get my team to the Super Bowl sooner rather than later and I wait to pick up the tabloids with him on the front page being dragged out of a strip club by the cops.

Fortunately, the Chiefs are locked into Smith, Daniel and Bray and they don't pick him.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:54 PM   #30
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I don't think he has as strong of an arm as advertised.
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