Money this ecomomy effecting you? - Page 2

tooge · 09-17-2008, 10:41 AM

How is this crappy economy affecting you guys? I have noticed that I am noticeably slower at the office and folks are pretty stingy about spending money, even on their health. Y'all feeling the effects yet? If not, do you think you will at some time? Misery loves company.

tooge · 09-17-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I didn't go out out to the bars this weekend which is hard for a young stud like me, that right there if i don't go out friday or saturday is 40 dollars a week. Thats the thing that kills me is I work hard so I feel the need to go out bawling on the weekend that is usually 50-60 dollars a night

I am an idiot. thats drink and cab though

and dancing like a player

Maybe its time to start makin moonshine and having parties at your place.

Goapics1 · 09-17-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Maybe its time to start makin moonshine and having parties at your place.

You have a recipe for moonshine?

Simply Red · 09-17-2008, 11:09 AM

I totally agree, it's so damned expensive to go out.

Simply Red · 09-17-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by apics1

You have a recipe for moonshine?

no

tooge · 09-17-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by apics1

You have a recipe for moonshine?

I googled it. Pretty easy to make I guess. I have a good place to do it, but I hear you could basically run an engine on the stuff, yuck. But hey, you do what you gotta do.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-17-2008, 11:13 AM

I've had to liquidate my sow herd, 1500 sows gone, the rest of the hogs are leaving at the tune of about 500 head per week, at the end ov November I'll be cleaned out. Thankyou Ethanol!

**Iowanian** · 09-17-2008, 11:15 AM

I'm not sure.

I'm in the first year of my own business in a tough field, and I'm surviving year 1. If this is as tough as it gets, I'll be here at the end of year 2 and ready to make coin year 3.

In the mean time, I've got 2 side jobs, one goes to me the other all goes to a playground fund locally.

I've got 4 guys working on my house now, and just left the lumber yard to order more.....

Its tougher now, but we're doing fine.

If it gets tougher, I'll pick up more side work, and do less donation of time and money.

**RealSNR** · 09-17-2008, 11:19 AM

I hope Midnight Vulture is okay. If he was forced to sell his bike, then he can't get any chicks.

Redrum_69 · 09-17-2008, 11:20 AM

hog farmer

this post is for you...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/16/abu....ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- An undercover video taken at an Iowa pig farm shows workers hitting sows with metal rods, slamming piglets on a concrete floor and bragging about jamming rods up into sows' hindquarters.

The pork industry and a Hormel spokesperson say animal abuse is unacceptable and not the norm.

On the video, obtained by The Associated Press, a supervisor tells an undercover investigator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that when he gets angry or a sow won't move, "I grab one of these rods and jam it in her [anus]."

The farm outside Bayard, Iowa, about 60 miles west of Des Moines, is a supplier to Hormel Foods of Austin, Minnesota. PETA wants to use the results of the investigation to pressure Hormel, the maker of Spam and other food products, to demand that its suppliers ensure humane treatment of pigs.

Hormel spokeswoman Julie Henderson Craven on Tuesday called the abuses "completely unacceptable."

The animal rights group also planned to send the video to the sheriff in Greene County, Iowa, seeking prosecution of 18 people on animal cruelty violations. According to PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich, the video shows eight people directly abusing animals.

"Abuse on factory farms is the absolute norm, not the exception, and anyone eating factory-farmed meat is paying to support it," Friedrich said.

After getting a whistleblower complaint from someone inside the farm, PETA sent two undercover investigators to be hired at the farm and document its practices -- one from June 10 to September 8, and the other from July 23 to September 11.

At one point on the video, an employee shouts to an investigator, "Hurt 'em! There's nobody works for PETA out here. You know who PETA is?"

The undercover PETA investigator replies that he's heard of the group.

"I hate them. These [expletives] deserve to be hurt. Hurt, I say!," the employee yells as he hits a sow with a metal rod. "Hurt! Hurt! Hurt! Hurt! ... Take out your frustrations on 'em." He encourages the investigator to pretend that one of the pigs scared off a voluptuous and willing 17- or 18-year-old girl, and then beat the pig for it.

Records at the Greene County Assessor's Office show the property was owned by Natural Pork Production II LLP of Iowa until August 18, and then was transferred to MowMar LLP of Fairmont, Minnesota.

Lynn Becker, an owner of MowMar, called the abuses on the video "completely intolerable, reprehensible. We condemn these types of acts. If any animals were abused in the brief time we've owned the farm, if we still employ these people, any attempt will be made to investigate and initiate corrective action immediately."

Becker said his company provided animal welfare training to the staff when it took over the farm.

Natural Pork Production II referred questions to AMVC Management Services, which managed the farm under its ownership. Mark Jones, AMVC's network manager, said the video showed "unacceptable practices" and that his company is working with the new ownership to investigate.

Craven, the Hormel spokeswoman, said the farm became a Hormel supplier only after the change in ownership, and that MowMar "shares our commitment to animal welfare and humane handling."

"We expect all current suppliers to adhere to the proper animal handling standards from day one and continue to do so throughout our relationship. We are working with our supplier to ensure this activity is no longer taking place," Hormel said in a statement on its Web site.

Craven said it was her understanding that the abuses took place before the change in ownership. But PETA's Friedrich said the abuses continued, and that the new manager abused animals by shocking and kicking pigs.

Dr. Jennifer Greiner, a veterinarian and director of science and technology at the National Pork Producers Council, said the industry condemns "willful abuse" of pigs and that the video depicts acts that are not acceptable.

"Our industry is committed to handling pigs humanely," she said. "My industry is full of good people."

At one point in the video, workers are shown slamming piglets on the ground, a practice designed to instantly kill those baby pigs that aren't healthy enough. But on the video, the piglets are not killed instantly, and in a bloodied pile, some piglets can be seen wiggling vainly. The video also shows piglets being castrated, and having their tails cut off, without anesthesia.

Temple Grandin, a leading animal welfare expert who serves as a consultant to the livestock industry, said that while those are standard industry practices, the treatment of the sows on the video was far from it.

"This is atrocious animal abuse," Grandin said after PETA sent her the video. But she disagreed with PETA's contention that it was widespread in the industry.

"I've been on many good farms, and the pigs are handled gently," she said. "This was blatant, deliberate animal cruelty. These people are sick. They need to be prosecuted. There are certain people that enjoy hurting animals and they should not be working with them -- period."

One of the PETA investigators, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his ability to do further undercover operations, said there was a culture of violence on the farm, and working there was an emotionally and physically exhausting experience that typically involved working 12-hour shifts and walking 15 miles a day.

"So many times, it took all of my willpower not to step up and do something," he said, adding that he also saw the supervisor shove a cane into a sow's vagina. "I was just shocked. What do you say to that?"

Goapics1 · 09-17-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I hope Midnight Vulture is okay. If he was forced to sell his bike, then he can't get any chicks.

Demonpenz · 09-17-2008, 11:21 AM

I need to sneak more alcohol into bars when I go out the problem is I drink beer or have to have liquid coming in my dry mouth at all times. I just need to fill a ziplock bag full of whiskey and poor it in my mouth on the dance floor.

InChiefsHeaven · 09-17-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

I shop at Aldi too. They have some okay stuff. Yeah, times are rough. The only good thing about my job is, often my customers are the government.

I work for the government...so I'm not worried about layoffs at least...

...we are driving my car instead of the wife's jeep. That's the biggest difference. And we don't go out much.

**chasedude** · 09-17-2008, 11:28 AM

Yes and it Sucks!!!!111ONE!!11!!

RJ · 09-17-2008, 11:28 AM

I work in the flooring business and we're definitelely down from the past few years. The builder business is way down, the retail business slightly down. At the end of the year my income won't be much lower than last year. Problem, though, is the money isn't worth as much. Gas, groceries, clothes - the dollar just doesn't go as far as it did before.

What worries me more than my income is the income of the company I work for. We're a small business, about $4M a year, and the cash flow just isn't as good as it has been in the past. We got burned by some builders who haven't paid us and we've gotten behind with some of our vendors. Right now we're ok but the slow winter months are coming. It will be a challenge.

I shudder at the idea of drinking Keystone Light.

Simply Red · 09-17-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

I work in the flooring business and we're definitelely down from the past few years. The builder business is way down, the retail business slightly down. At the end of the year my income won't be much lower than last year. Problem, though, is the money isn't worth as much. Gas, groceries, clothes - the dollar just doesn't go as far as it did before.

What worries me more than my income is the income of the company I work for. We're a small business, about $4M a year, and the cash flow just isn't as good as it has been in the past. We got burned by some builders who haven't paid us and we've gotten behind with some of our vendors. Right now we're ok but the slow winter months are coming. It will be a challenge.

I shudder at the idea of drinking Keystone Light.

I'm sorry to hear that.

09-17-2008, 10:41 AM
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $824112	this ecomomy effecting you? How is this crappy economy affecting you guys? I have noticed that I am noticeably slower at the office and folks are pretty stingy about spending money, even on their health. Y'all feeling the effects yet? If not, do you think you will at some time? Misery loves company.
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09-17-2008, 11:09 AM	#18
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09-17-2008, 11:13 AM	#21
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09-17-2008, 11:15 AM	#22
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1838454	I'm not sure. I'm in the first year of my own business in a tough field, and I'm surviving year 1. If this is as tough as it gets, I'll be here at the end of year 2 and ready to make coin year 3. In the mean time, I've got 2 side jobs, one goes to me the other all goes to a playground fund locally. I've got 4 guys working on my house now, and just left the lumber yard to order more..... Its tougher now, but we're doing fine. If it gets tougher, I'll pick up more side work, and do less donation of time and money.
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09-17-2008, 11:19 AM	#23
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09-17-2008, 11:20 AM	#24
Redrum_69 Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: your nightmares Casino cash: $10004900	hog farmer this post is for you... http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/16/abu....ap/index.html WASHINGTON (AP) -- An undercover video taken at an Iowa pig farm shows workers hitting sows with metal rods, slamming piglets on a concrete floor and bragging about jamming rods up into sows' hindquarters. The pork industry and a Hormel spokesperson say animal abuse is unacceptable and not the norm. On the video, obtained by The Associated Press, a supervisor tells an undercover investigator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that when he gets angry or a sow won't move, "I grab one of these rods and jam it in her [anus]." The farm outside Bayard, Iowa, about 60 miles west of Des Moines, is a supplier to Hormel Foods of Austin, Minnesota. PETA wants to use the results of the investigation to pressure Hormel, the maker of Spam and other food products, to demand that its suppliers ensure humane treatment of pigs. Hormel spokeswoman Julie Henderson Craven on Tuesday called the abuses "completely unacceptable." The animal rights group also planned to send the video to the sheriff in Greene County, Iowa, seeking prosecution of 18 people on animal cruelty violations. According to PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich, the video shows eight people directly abusing animals. "Abuse on factory farms is the absolute norm, not the exception, and anyone eating factory-farmed meat is paying to support it," Friedrich said. After getting a whistleblower complaint from someone inside the farm, PETA sent two undercover investigators to be hired at the farm and document its practices -- one from June 10 to September 8, and the other from July 23 to September 11. At one point on the video, an employee shouts to an investigator, "Hurt 'em! There's nobody works for PETA out here. You know who PETA is?" The undercover PETA investigator replies that he's heard of the group. "I hate them. These [expletives] deserve to be hurt. Hurt, I say!," the employee yells as he hits a sow with a metal rod. "Hurt! Hurt! Hurt! Hurt! ... Take out your frustrations on 'em." He encourages the investigator to pretend that one of the pigs scared off a voluptuous and willing 17- or 18-year-old girl, and then beat the pig for it. Records at the Greene County Assessor's Office show the property was owned by Natural Pork Production II LLP of Iowa until August 18, and then was transferred to MowMar LLP of Fairmont, Minnesota. Lynn Becker, an owner of MowMar, called the abuses on the video "completely intolerable, reprehensible. We condemn these types of acts. If any animals were abused in the brief time we've owned the farm, if we still employ these people, any attempt will be made to investigate and initiate corrective action immediately." Becker said his company provided animal welfare training to the staff when it took over the farm. Natural Pork Production II referred questions to AMVC Management Services, which managed the farm under its ownership. Mark Jones, AMVC's network manager, said the video showed "unacceptable practices" and that his company is working with the new ownership to investigate. Craven, the Hormel spokeswoman, said the farm became a Hormel supplier only after the change in ownership, and that MowMar "shares our commitment to animal welfare and humane handling." "We expect all current suppliers to adhere to the proper animal handling standards from day one and continue to do so throughout our relationship. We are working with our supplier to ensure this activity is no longer taking place," Hormel said in a statement on its Web site. Craven said it was her understanding that the abuses took place before the change in ownership. But PETA's Friedrich said the abuses continued, and that the new manager abused animals by shocking and kicking pigs. Dr. Jennifer Greiner, a veterinarian and director of science and technology at the National Pork Producers Council, said the industry condemns "willful abuse" of pigs and that the video depicts acts that are not acceptable. "Our industry is committed to handling pigs humanely," she said. "My industry is full of good people." At one point in the video, workers are shown slamming piglets on the ground, a practice designed to instantly kill those baby pigs that aren't healthy enough. But on the video, the piglets are not killed instantly, and in a bloodied pile, some piglets can be seen wiggling vainly. The video also shows piglets being castrated, and having their tails cut off, without anesthesia. Temple Grandin, a leading animal welfare expert who serves as a consultant to the livestock industry, said that while those are standard industry practices, the treatment of the sows on the video was far from it. "This is atrocious animal abuse," Grandin said after PETA sent her the video. But she disagreed with PETA's contention that it was widespread in the industry. "I've been on many good farms, and the pigs are handled gently," she said. "This was blatant, deliberate animal cruelty. These people are sick. They need to be prosecuted. There are certain people that enjoy hurting animals and they should not be working with them -- period." One of the PETA investigators, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his ability to do further undercover operations, said there was a culture of violence on the farm, and working there was an emotionally and physically exhausting experience that typically involved working 12-hour shifts and walking 15 miles a day. "So many times, it took all of my willpower not to step up and do something," he said, adding that he also saw the supervisor shove a cane into a sow's vagina. "I was just shocked. What do you say to that?"
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09-17-2008, 11:21 AM	#26
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09-17-2008, 11:28 AM	#28
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09-17-2008, 11:28 AM	#29
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	I work in the flooring business and we're definitelely down from the past few years. The builder business is way down, the retail business slightly down. At the end of the year my income won't be much lower than last year. Problem, though, is the money isn't worth as much. Gas, groceries, clothes - the dollar just doesn't go as far as it did before. What worries me more than my income is the income of the company I work for. We're a small business, about $4M a year, and the cash flow just isn't as good as it has been in the past. We got burned by some builders who haven't paid us and we've gotten behind with some of our vendors. Right now we're ok but the slow winter months are coming. It will be a challenge. I shudder at the idea of drinking Keystone Light.
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