Explain This

[Chief Chief]

KC @ Chicago, less than 2 minutes in the 1st half:

We kick-off and the Bears return man catches the ball on the bounce near the sideline with one foot in and then his other foot lands out.

The ref calls a penalty on KC for kicking the ball out of bounds and gives the Bears the ball at the 40.

WTF?

Also, there was another play inside 2 minutes of the first half which I thought was worthy of a review but it didn't happen.

Anyone recall that one?

[donkhater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't think anyone is arguing that.

He wasn't OOB when he first touched the ball.

He caught the ball, THEN stepped OOB with his right foot.

I could be wrong, but he needs to establish position with one foot OOB BEFORE he touches the ball.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to get another "we ****ed up" letter from the league this week.

In fact it is the opposite. He has to catch the ball and establish both feet INBOUNDS for it to be a legal catch, just as if he was recieving a pass. The fact that his second foot landed out of bounds meant that the kick was out of bounds as well.

It was the right call. Clearly Hester thought he f**ked up. He got lucky.

[Groves]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

By that logic, there are a number of ways you could use that to your advantage anytime the ball comes down close to the sideline on a kickoff.

Yes, that's what this whole thread is about.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

FWIW, I'd rather have an explanation about the obvious missed block in the back on Bennett during Hester's TD.

I thought that is what I saw also.


But if Hester would have had a knee down when caught the KO, would it have been consdered out of bounds at that point. You know the 1 knee equals 2 feet......

[PastorMikH]

From now on, if a return man catches the ball outside of the hashmarks, he should quickly hop on one foot towards the sidelines and put the second foot down only after he crosses the sideline.

Herm should be having one-footed-catching and hopping drills in practice for the return men.

[kc rush]

Originally Posted by donkhater

In fact it is the opposite. He has to catch the ball and establish both feet INBOUNDS for it to be a legal catch, just as if he was recieving a pass. The fact that his second foot landed out of bounds meant that the kick was out of bounds as well.

It was the right call. Clearly Hester thought he f**ked up. He got lucky.

I know that this sounds ridiculous, but does that mean a return man could bat the kickoff to someone standing out of bounds and it would be a penalty on the kicking team?

I guess I should try to find the rulebook to see how things are worded, it may negate my scenario above, but if not, KC Fish is right, there are a number of things you could do to take advantage of the situation.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

From now on, if a return man catches the ball outside of the hashmarks, he should quickly hop on one foot towards the sidelines and put the second foot down only after he crosses the sideline.

Herm should be having one-footed-catching and hopping drills in practice for the return men.

that would probably be considered a football move though and wouldn't count.

[PastorMikH]

If Hester had established himself out of bounds before the catch, wouldn't he be an in-eligable player first to touch the ball with a penalty going against him?



Stupid rule.

[The Rick]

Exactly, what's the point of this rule? Who's to say the ball doesn't land in the field of play near the out of bounds line and bounce away from the line, towards the field?

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by The Rick

Exactly, what's the point of this rule? Who's to say the ball doesn't land in the field of play near the out of bounds line and bounce away from the line, towards the field?

Actually, with the way he was running towards the sideline to catch the ball, who's to say that the ball wouldn't have hit near, at or beyond the goal line just inside the pylon?

[Uncle_Ted]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

From now on, if a return man catches the ball outside of the hashmarks, he should quickly hop on one foot towards the sidelines and put the second foot down only after he crosses the sideline.

Herm should be having one-footed-catching and hopping drills in practice for the return men.

Catch it while hopping on one foot, then lateral it to a guy standing out of bounds! Though I guess the lateral might be a "football move"

[donkhater]

Originally Posted by kc rush

I know that this sounds ridiculous, but does that mean a return man could bat the kickoff to someone standing out of bounds and it would be a penalty on the kicking team?

I guess I should try to find the rulebook to see how things are worded, it may negate my scenario above, but if not, KC Fish is right, there are a number of things you could do to take advantage of the situation.

That would be illegal batting of the ball out of bounds and be a penalty. Selvin Young (Broncos) was called for that last week on a dropped lateral he batted OoB. A heads up play on his part, but still a penalty.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

If Hester had established himself out of bounds before the catch, wouldn't he be an in-eligable player first to touch the ball with a penalty going against him?



Stupid rule.

Someone should have stomped on his left foot then......

[morphius]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

that would probably be considered a football move though and wouldn't count.

One foot touching multiple times would count as multiple steps in bounds.

I still don't like the incomplete call on Webb, I think if a player catches the ball, takes two steps and his knees touch the ground then has it knocked out it should still be a catch. With each knee counting as 2 feet, that is a lot of touches to the ground.

[donkhater]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

If Hester had established himself out of bounds before the catch, wouldn't he be an in-eligable player first to touch the ball with a penalty going against him?



Stupid rule.

No. Because he is OoB when he touches the ball. If he goes out of bounds THEN re-establishes himself inbounds and touches the ball first it is illegal touching of the ball.

[donkhater]

Originally Posted by morphius

One foot touching multiple times would count as multiple steps in bounds.

I still don't like the incomplete call on Webb, I think if a player catches the ball, takes two steps and his knees touch the ground then has it knocked out it should still be a catch. With each knee counting as 2 feet, that is a lot of touches to the ground.

I wasn't really all that pissed off that it was called incomplete. But it sure verified that my opinion of the Wilson 'fumble' from last week was complete hogwash. It's nearly the same situation. Once it was a fumble, the other time it wasn't.