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**petegz28** · 08-25-2007, 05:48 PM

Game is over already

**alnorth** · 08-26-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Jeremy Affeldt belongs in the talent discussion, and so does Denny Bautista. Talent isn't everything, clearly.

The good news is that Davies is very young. He has a good chance of someday putting it together. But it'll be rough finding out if he can or not.

Reminds me of Croyle. I'm glad Carl isnt running the Royals.

tk13 · 08-26-2007, 01:29 AM

The thing people seem to forget, Davies is the exact same age as Soria and Greinke. Greinke's been up, down, all over the place, and people still consider him one of our best prospects. Fans would've had a riot had we traded him away. Yet Davies seems to be thought of way different, like he's older or something. And he's not.

Affeldt had a lot of talent, but he was 23 when he first came up for the Royals. I still don't think we handled him properly... we should've stuck him in the rotation and left him there.

HolmeZz · 08-26-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro_Chief

Davies is more talented than any starter the Royals have had in the last five years not named Meche or Greinke.

That says a lot more about the Royals starters the last 5 years than it does about Davies.

chuxtrux · 08-26-2007, 02:19 AM

WE COULD OF STARTED CROYLE AND WE GO WITH DAVIES?!?!?!?!? WTF CARL!!!!

**petegz28** · 08-26-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro_Chief

Davies is more talented than any starter the Royals have had in the last five years not named Meche or Greinke.

What about Bannister and De La Rosa?

I will have to disgree with you on the talent of Davies.

**Reaper16** · 08-26-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

What about Bannister and De La Rosa?

I will have to disgree with you on the talent of Davies.

Davies has more talent than Bannister and De La Rosa, yeah. Bannister doesn't have that much "talent," really. He just knows how to pitch and has control of his pitches.

Davies ate up the minors at like 19 years old w/ 4 plus pitches. In terms of raw "talent," Davies ranks highly.

**petegz28** · 08-26-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Davies has more talent than Bannister and De La Rosa, yeah. Bannister doesn't have that much "talent," really. He just knows how to pitch and has control of his pitches.

Davies ate up the minors at like 19 years old w/ 4 plus pitches. In terms of raw "talent," Davies ranks highly.

I will let the stats speak for themselves.

Bannister has been all-fucking-world this year.

Knowing hot to pitch and having control is talent son.

I haven't seen Bannister get jacked liek Davies has yet.

**alanm** · 08-26-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The thing people seem to forget, Davies is the exact same age as Soria and Greinke. Greinke's been up, down, all over the place, and people still consider him one of our best prospects. Fans would've had a riot had we traded him away. Yet Davies seems to be thought of way different, like he's older or something. And he's not.

Affeldt had a lot of talent, but he was 23 when he first came up for the Royals. I still don't think we handled him properly... we should've stuck him in the rotation and left him there.

Affeldt couldn't keep his finger healthy when he started. But he's been doing damn good as the Rockies middle reliever this year. I'm sure he's happy how things worked out.

**alanm** · 08-26-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Davies has more talent than Bannister and De La Rosa, yeah. Bannister doesn't have that much "talent," really. He just knows how to pitch and has control of his pitches.

Davies ate up the minors at like 19 years old w/ 4 plus pitches. In terms of raw "talent," Davies ranks highly.

"He knows how to pitch and has control of his pitches" That isn't talent?
I'll take guys who can put the ball over the plate and get a ball into play every day over guys with potential.

HolmeZz · 08-26-2007, 10:00 AM

Davies is more talented than Bannister, but again, that's not saying a whole lot.

**alnorth** · 08-26-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

"He knows how to pitch and has control of his pitches" That isn't talent?
I'll take guys who can put the ball over the plate and get a ball into play every day over guys with potential.

What he probably meant to say is that Bannister is maximising what he's got. He's doing everything we could hope for, but his "ceiling" is not as high as Davies and Greinke. Whether those two ever come close to their "ceiling" is anyone's guess, but the only way to find out is to keep running them out there and hope our pitching coaches know what they are doing in between starts.

**Reaper16** · 08-26-2007, 10:32 AM

Talent here is being used as a scouting term, obviously. Some guys, like Bannister, who I love, just know how ti pitch despite having less talent (or, as mentioned above, "cieling") than other guys.

Think about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Manning is clearly the more physically talented QB of the two, and their draft positions reflect this, albeit in different years (#1 overall vs 6th round). Brady can flat play QB, though, so his deficiency in raw talent compared to top QB prospects is heavily marginalized.

I'm just stating some facts here, I'm not defending Davies and slamming Bannister, like petegz and alanm seemed to think. Quite the opposite, actually.

Sure-Oz · 08-26-2007, 10:39 AM

Give davies more than a few starts before you bash him. He does have more talent and still is very young, give him a good season before you rip him to shreds. We could be sitting with no possibility of a decent to good starter with Dotel on the DL here.

jettio · 08-26-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Talent here is being used as a scouting term, obviously. Some guys, like Bannister, who I love, just know how ti pitch despite having less talent (or, as mentioned above, "cieling") than other guys.

Think about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Manning is clearly the more physically talented QB of the two, and their draft positions reflect this, albeit in different years (#1 overall vs 6th round). Brady can flat play QB, though, so his deficiency in raw talent compared to top QB prospects is heavily marginalized.

I'm just stating some facts here, I'm not defending Davies and slamming Bannister, like petegz and alanm seemed to think. Quite the opposite, actually.

I think Brady and Manning would grade out about the same as athletes, their difference in draft position was that Manning went to a high profile Tennessee and started for four years and Tom Brady went to a high profile Michigan program and did not get to start until late in his college career.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1647500	The thing people seem to forget, Davies is the exact same age as Soria and Greinke. Greinke's been up, down, all over the place, and people still consider him one of our best prospects. Fans would've had a riot had we traded him away. Yet Davies seems to be thought of way different, like he's older or something. And he's not. Affeldt had a lot of talent, but he was 23 when he first came up for the Royals. I still don't think we handled him properly... we should've stuck him in the rotation and left him there.
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