Jeezuz folks get some perspective - Page 2

Dr. Johnny Fever · 08-25-2007, 05:35 PM

It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

chagrin · 08-25-2007, 06:12 PM

To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory.

**Reaper16** · 08-25-2007, 07:01 PM

I would hope that Huard is only starting the first 4 games, which should be notoriously brutal affairs that occur while our offensive line w/ McIntosh goes through the gelling process.

We can't really tell from the preseason games if Brody is "ready" or not because the pass protection just wasn't there. It seemed like 2/3 of all plays the backfield penetration was so deep that the play was just busted. They plays that were adequately protected suffered from qb/receiver miscommunication or drops.

Let the o-line become some shadow of a cohesive unit, then see what Brody can do in game. Assuming that that is the reason Huard is starting, then I'm not upset by the decision.

KC Jones · 08-25-2007, 07:10 PM

If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all?

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-25-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

How is he going to earn the spot if he's not playing when the GAMES COUNT?

With Huard being handed the starting job, the only way Croyle gets playing time is if Damon is injured or sucks....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.

**gblowfish** · 08-25-2007, 08:06 PM

Don't worry.

Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again.

One of Herm's last seasons (with the Jets) he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before.

**dirk digler** · 08-25-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory.

Have you heard Herm or Carl ever say we are rebuilding because I haven't?

If either one of them said that then you are right not starting Croyle makes no sense.

**Bugeater** · 08-25-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Don't worry.

Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again.

One of Herm's last seasons he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before.

Wow, that makes me feel better! Thanks!

chagrin · 08-25-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Have you heard Herm or Carl ever say we are rebuilding because I haven't?

If either one of them said that then you are right not starting Croyle makes no sense.

Well no, but I always thought it was pretty clear when Herm said something like, "We're getting younger" or "we're going with a youth movement" as rebuilding.

It's just my interpretation. From everything I have read, in Herm's press conferences, etc. he's a contradiction machine...dude never really says anything, ever, and what he does say is silliness.

Personally, I just don't like it - he worries me. I see Herm as an unstable leader, in the sense that he is not really making a decision to rebuild and he's really digging a bigger hole for himself.

I will always love the CHIEFS though, and I don't think I am panicking, I just feel that realistically, it's going to take a coach who will come in here, MAKE Carl follow a specific plan and just fuggin do it. I like what what's his name in Houston/Tennessee, Bob McNair did (is it Bob?). He gave the team to his coach, trusted him and let him run the thing - they've been solid for a while now and at least reached the Super Bowl and won playoff games.

**Bugeater** · 08-25-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I like what what's his name in Houston/Tennessee, Bob McNair did (is it Bob?). He gave the team to his coach, trusted him and let him run the thing - they've been solid for a while now and at least reached the Super Bowl and won playoff games.

You're thinking of Bud Adams, Bob McNair owns the Texans.

chagrin · 08-25-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

You're thinking of Bud Adams, Bob McNair owns the Texans.

Yeah Bud Adams, thanks

mikey23545 · 08-25-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How is he going to earn the spot if he's not playing when the GAMES COUNT?

With Huard being handed the starting job, the only way Croyle gets playing time is if Damon is injured or sucks....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.

God dammit, you people are some idiotic mfer's....Do you actually think no QB in history has ever spent a little time on the bench before earning the starting nod before?

All of you are acting like the Chiefs took Croyle out to the river in a burlap sack and threw him in. All that has happened is he is not starting this season opener - that is all. No one of knows what the situation will be in 6 weeks.

What the **** do you think preseason is for?....EVALUATING YOUR PLAYERS, YOU COSMIC DUMBASSES...Almost every single starter in this league earned their position by impressing coaches in practice or preseason before they got their chance under the lights. And sometimes your most physically talented player needs a little more learning before they are ready for live action. I have never in my life seen so many temper tantrums taking place at the same time on this BB before, or so many absolutely unsubstantiated claims about Croyle's future.

I also love the Logical theory that a team must, MUST, lose 16 games one year to really be rebuilding, or to have a chance to ever be any better.

Honestly, I can't believe a lot of you have actually learned to read and write, much less post on an internet bulletin board.

StcChief · 08-25-2007, 09:59 PM

Carl ultimately is calling the shots.
Butts in the seats in games after Sept lone game......

Huard needs to start if Croyle really isn't ready yet.

No NFL experience , how can he get it.... Huard falters or injury.

Still think mid season replacement is highly likely.

KCwolf · 08-25-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all?

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

Rep for U

Outstanding post IMO.....very few have stated the possible viewpoint of the Vets and "build for the future"........I'm pretty sure TG & the foundation crew is in it for the now......and Huard gives us the best chance to win. Now.

milkman · 08-25-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf

Rep for U

Outstanding post IMO.....very few have stated the possible viewpoint of the Vets and "build for the future"........I'm pretty sure TG & the foundation crew is in it for the now......and Huard gives us the best chance to win. Now.

Do you think any of the vets really believe that this is a team that actually has a chance to win anything meaningful?

ChiefaRoo · 08-25-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Do you think any of the vets really believe that this is a team that actually has a chance to win anything meaningful?

If they don't then they should not be playing. You don't quit before the season starts or you're not worthy of calling yourself a pro.

Here's a better question. Do you guys think Tony G. is in it just for the money or does he also want to win a championship? I was surprised when he re-signed so quickly. I think there is something positive going on at Arrowhead or he wouldn't of done it. I guess we'll see.

08-25-2007, 05:35 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Jeezuz folks get some perspective It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit. Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride? Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much. Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can. Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now. And who knows... we may not even be that bad.
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08-25-2007, 06:12 PM	#16
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9804905	To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory. __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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08-25-2007, 07:10 PM	#18
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all? Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time. __________________ re-sign: to sign again resign: to withdraw from employment
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08-25-2007, 08:06 PM	#20
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	Don't worry. Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again. One of Herm's last seasons (with the Jets) he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before. Last edited by gblowfish; 08-25-2007 at 09:06 PM..
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08-25-2007, 09:59 PM	#27
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Carl ultimately is calling the shots. Butts in the seats in games after Sept lone game...... Huard needs to start if Croyle really isn't ready yet. No NFL experience , how can he get it.... Huard falters or injury. Still think mid season replacement is highly likely.
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