Gunther planning to use 3-4 defense in likely passing downs - Page 2

beer bacon · 06-23-2005, 02:06 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...de-scoop_x.htm

Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham is the latest coach planning the 3-4 scheme as a sub package. Cunningham plans to implement the 3-4 in likely passing downs to maximize Kansas City's improved defensive speed.

I like the sound of this. Who do you think would normally be out there on defense in these situations?

Chiefnj · 06-23-2005, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

DaWolf · 06-23-2005, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium

NO doubt. Then we could get Scanlon, Grigsby, D.J., Mitchell, Fox, and Bell on the field at the same time.

I'd just send Scanlon out there and give the rest of the defense a day off...

cmh6476 · 06-23-2005, 07:34 AM

DE Browning
DT Sims/ Junior
DE Allen/ Hicks

OLB Stills
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

Coach · 06-23-2005, 07:37 AM

Not sure how the DL will look like, but I'm guessing it'll look like this.

DE Browning/Hall
DT Junior/Sims
DE Allen/Hicks

As for the LB's, this is probably the route that Gunther might go for.

OLB Fox
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

Radar Chief · 06-23-2005, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

**morphius** · 06-23-2005, 07:41 AM

I like the idea of changing things up a bit, keep the O guessing.

cmh6476 · 06-23-2005, 07:44 AM

I think if we go 3-4, we put Gary Stills in at OLB because of his speed and his ability to get to the QB.

I can really see Gun using him like he used to use DT. as a pass rush specialist only!

KChiefs1 · 06-23-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

DE Browning/Hall
DT Junior/Sims
DE Allen/Hicks

As for the LB's, this is probably the route that Gunther might go for.

OLB Fox
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

**Lzen** · 06-23-2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

DE Browning/ Hall
DT Junior/ Sims
DE Allen/ Hicks

OLB Fox/Stills
ILB Bell/Scanlon
ILB Mitchell/Scanlon
OLB Johnson/Fujita

Here, I fixed it.

Chiefnj · 06-23-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

htismaqe · 06-23-2005, 08:18 AM

The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...

JimNasium · 06-23-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...

We also don't have the DE's to pull it off.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-23-2005, 08:24 AM

I like this idea; if we have the personnel....I love the 3-4....this would be.....

Radar Chief · 06-23-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

From what I remember, ‘bout the only one get’n any pressure was Allen. It seems I remember Dalton get’n some solo tackles, but the rest were amazingly unspectacular. Course this is just from memory, and considering the season we had some of my memory was foggy later that day.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-23-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...

I think we might be able to put Bell in at a DE to do a DT immitation on 3rd down passing situations--with Savii at DT? ....

The Front Seven would be:

Johnson - Mitchell -Fox/Fujita - Bell (in a three pt on the DL)

Browning/Hicks - Siavii - Allen

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