Ty Cobb is second now

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Baseball Integrates Leaderboards

Major League Baseball officially updated its statistics leaderboard yesterday to include 2,300 qualifying men who played in the Negro Leagues between 1920 and 1948. The integration incorporates findings from a three-year research process initiated after MLB first recognized the Negro Leagues as major leagues in December 2020.



The update reshapes long-standing leaderboards, with legendary power hitter and Hall of Fame catcher Josh Gibson now recognized as the all-time leader in career batting average with a .372 mark, passing prior leader, Ty Cobb. Lifetime numbers from MLB players reflecting their time in the Negro Leagues were also recognized, including those of Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, and Satchel Paige. See a rundown of leaderboard changes here. https://www.mlb.com/news/stats-leade...ro-leagues-mlb



Tacit bans in the major leagues forced Black players to create their own leagues in the first half of the 20th century. Jackie Robinson broke the sport's racial barrier when he made his debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947

[BigRedChief]

People who say the Negro league was hitting against inferior pitching talent, are insane. What do you think was happening in the whites only MLB league? Long overdue.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I used to be a major purist for Major League Baseball stats, and these used to be sacred to me as a kid.

Then the Steroid Era happened, and the Homerun records became completely unattainable.

Pitching is so different now that those old time records are also unattainable. Winning 20 games is somewhat rare anymore. Imagine doing that 25 straight seasons and still be 11 wins away from Cy Young’s record.

So really, what do the records in baseball mean if no one can break them?

Given that, I don’t have an issue with this.

Not to mention the alcoholic drunk era, The greeny amphetamine era, .... Baseball has always been on some kind of juice.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Vladimir_Kyrilytch

They need to unretire #42 and stop having Jackie Robinson day. All he did was transfer from one major league team to another, a nothing accomplishment. Hundreds of players change organizations every year and it is nothing to celebrate or commemorate.

Not sure if you are serious or are saying this to troll others.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

The obvious racial injustices aside, it's called the major leagues and for a long time there was a third one. It deserves to be recognized. The stats are already muddied by different eras and rules and cheating scandals, etc. Sacrificing a little purity in pursuit of justice and a more truthful telling of the history of the game is the obvious choice.

It's still a different league. One could have always combined all the leagues into a single stat sheet but when we talk about Major League Baseball and it's various names over time it was not the same league. You can't factually get around that.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

People who say the Negro league was hitting against inferior pitching talent, are insane. What do you think was happening in the whites only MLB league? Long overdue.

Maybe the NL was harder and better athletic talent all the way around. We don't know. We can only speculate. And no matter what anybody does it doesn't change the fact that the discrimination and lack of inclusion was real.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

I say this about all the different sports unless they haven't changed the rules at all. The NFL records are such a joke anymore. You have changed the rules so much it isn't the same game it was 30 years ago. You can't compare records from year to year because of that.

All records and even who's the best at _________ need to be kept in context of the era in which a player played.

[seamonster]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Glad you found another thread to be a piece of shit in.

Virtue signaling is embarrassing and you should be ashamed of yourself. You're like a guy with a microdick that has to drive around in a lifted truck with aggressive tires so that you can let everybody know that you've got a personality disorder. There's no "racial justice" at work here. All 20th century parties involved are dead as are their kids as are most of their grandkids. This is irreverent.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Vladimir_Kyrilytch

They need to unretire #42 and stop having Jackie Robinson day. All he did was transfer from one major league team to another, a nothing accomplishment. Hundreds of players change organizations every year and it is nothing to celebrate or commemorate.

Keep being a piece of shit. No one expects anything more.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Maybe the NL was harder and better athletic talent all the way around. We don't know. We can only speculate. And no matter what anybody does it doesn't change the fact that the discrimination and lack of inclusion was real.

Welll we know now, that given a equal chance, besides the NHL most of our pro leagues are now > than 75% non-white.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

It's still a different league. One could have always combined all the leagues into a single stat sheet but when we talk about Major League Baseball and it's various names over time it was not the same league. You can't factually get around that.

The American League and the National League are two different leagues.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

The American League and the National League are two different leagues.

Exactly.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Welll we know now, that given a equal chance, besides the NHL most of our pro leagues are now > than 75% non-white.

Probably. From a research perspective you can't really use data in the present to explain the past. You can at best make an inference.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Exactly.

I guess I'm missing what you're saying. The stats of players in only two of the three major baseball leagues in America have been recognized by MLB up until this week when they finally included the third. You can still call out so and so as the American league record holder or the National League record holder, etc. What is it you're taking issue with?

[BWillie]

I think the records BEFORE they played against any black ppl shouldn't even count. White ppl aren't good at sports.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I think the records BEFORE they played against any black ppl shouldn't even count. White ppl aren't good at sports.

What are white people good at?