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Old Yesterday, 09:30 AM  
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Old Yesterday, 10:16 AM   #16
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Six years as a head coach, zero playoff berths. Two separate organizations hired him. Finishes with a .329 winning percentage. This is the shit we're talking about when we rightfully ask how Eric Bieiniemy never got a shot but this bozo got two.
Bienemy doesn’t wear a visor and stick a sharpie under the band that smart coaches like Alllen, Sirianni and McDaniel do.
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Carr got Allen fired twice. Heard some podcaster say that and I laughed unreasonably hard.

I'm not sure why they hired him in the first place. Dude's never been good at anything.
Do you think time moved in slow motion for Allen when he saw Carr reach back for that bomb on 4th and short?

Like...he knew it was over as soon as he saw Carr load up, right?

A ****ing fade route on 4th and the season when you had Kamara getting you easy yardage anytime you looked his way. I just cannot believe that was the call from the sideline.

Carr's inability to recognize his own limitations has just killed so many of his teams. Derek, fella, that ain't your throw. You don't have that ball especially not in that spot. You're not a hero - quit trying to act like one.
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Just goes to show you how quickly things can change in the NFL. The first two weeks of the season, the Saints looked unbeatable. Now, 7 weeks later, they are 2-7 and fired their HC.
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Just goes to show you how quickly things can change in the NFL. The first two weeks of the season, the Saints looked unbeatable. Now, 7 weeks later, they are 2-7 and fired their HC.
Which is why September isn’t the best gauge of how a team will finish in January.
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Just goes to show you how quickly things can change in the NFL. The first two weeks of the season, the Saints looked unbeatable. Now, 7 weeks later, they are 2-7 and fired their HC.
Turns out the Cowboys are shit.

Week 1 was the Panthers, right? I don't think anyone took much from that slaughter. But after they piss-pounded the Cowboys, people thought they were legit.

Oops.
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So....is Kamara on the block
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The Saints need to burn it down and get their salary cap mess finally in order.
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Turns out the Cowboys are shit.

Week 1 was the Panthers, right? I don't think anyone took much from that slaughter. But after they piss-pounded the Cowboys, people thought they were legit.

Oops.
Yep.
Week 1 is a liar
Week 2 is a joker

Sure held up in this case.
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I really don’t get this. Next years season is a tank job anyway. It’s not like a usual rebuild where a new coach can come in and start from scratch. This saints team will have lots of dead weight. Why not just keep him around for a little longer while they blow up the roster? I just can’t imagine why any coach would want this gig at least for the next few years
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If I’m a GM/owner and I fire a coach midseason, I’m automatically excluding the interim from the pool of replacement candidates next offseason.

There are too many instances of players winning a few for the replacement guy, particular if the guy they fired was particularly bad.

Mike Tice, Tom Cable, Jim Tomsula, Romeo Crennel, Dennis Allen, soon to be Antonio Pierce…

They’re all garbage, man. Late season success with an interim is completely worthless when evaluating any candidate.

We all made fun of it, but Irsay was onto something when he made the interim guy a coach he knew wouldn’t go anywhere. Zero temptation to keep him if they win some games at the end
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So....is Kamara on the block
They would not save any cap till 2026 if traded....So he will be staying
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They would not save any cap till 2026 if traded....So he will be staying
But it would increase the amount they save when those figures all wash out. They'd save an additional $14 million by 2026 if they trade him this season.

Now it does make their cap issues worse in 2025 than they would be by just keeping him. So the best time to trade him may be in the 2025 off-season, but by then they'd likely just cut him as he'd have no trade value to speak of.

So they can either take a bit of a cap bullet for an asset now or just ride it out and probably have something of a malcontent RB on their roster for their troubles.
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Does anyone know how PUP works? For example, Saints All-pro tackle Ryan Ramczyk was placed on the PUP before the season by the Saints because his knee wasn't and may never be fully healed. By the rules he cannot come back and play for the Saints this year.

I've look everywhere but can't get an answer if this also means IF traded that means he can play for his new team OR is he locked into that PUP status no matter what happens.

If Ramczyk is ready to come back soon this is one contract that would save the Saints cap if traded.
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But it would increase the amount they save when those figures all wash out. They'd save an additional $14 million by 2026 if they trade him this season.

Now it does make their cap issues worse in 2025 than they would be by just keeping him. So the best time to trade him may be in the 2025 off-season, but by then they'd likely just cut him as he'd have no trade value to speak of.

So they can either take a bit of a cap bullet for an asset now or just ride it out and probably have something of a malcontent RB on their roster for their troubles.
Great point and I guess it just matters what kind of offers they get.
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