Chiefs ****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread**** - Page 195

Sofa King · 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2023, 08:54 AM

QB drop rates according to @FTNData (drops as % of catchable throws):

Patrick Mahomes - 8.9%
Joshua Dobbs - 8.4%
Daniel Jones - 8.2%
Trevor Lawrence - 7.7%
Mac Jones - 7%
Anthony Richardson - 6.8%
Joe Burrow - 6.5%
Zach Wilson - 6.5%
Matthew Stafford - 6.4%
Desmond Ridder - 6.3%…
— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) October 5, 2023

TEX · 10-05-2023, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Hardman was a good 2nd round WR. Your AJ browns and DK's are outliers when you look at the amount of guys taken in the 2nd.

Pickens an outlier also? Something had to be up with that whole deal. Hardman was a good second round WR. Like I said, I just hope he's not the best one that Veach has drafted this far.

RunKC · 10-05-2023, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's kind of shitty that we took a guy with a top 50 pick and we're supposed to just be like "oh well he's a JAG it's ok"

He wasn't a top 50 pick and Veach isn't infallible. He's gonna have draft misses like every GM, but looking at that draft Skyy is the only glaring miss of the valuable picks.

Rice however looks like he could be a good player.

Mecca · 10-05-2023, 08:57 AM

There are plenty of good WR's taken in round 2 and later, this idea that Hardman was a good pick is kinda ehh...he's a gadget athlete that never really became a viable WR.

TEX · 10-05-2023, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

QB drop rates according to @FTNData (drops as % of catchable throws):

Patrick Mahomes - 8.9%
Joshua Dobbs - 8.4%
Daniel Jones - 8.2%
Trevor Lawrence - 7.7%
Mac Jones - 7%
Anthony Richardson - 6.8%
Joe Burrow - 6.5%
Zach Wilson - 6.5%
Matthew Stafford - 6.4%
Desmond Ridder - 6.3%…
— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) October 5, 2023

Knew it was bad, did not think it was worst in the NFL bad...

Mecca · 10-05-2023, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

He wasn't a top 50 pick and Veach isn't infallible. He's gonna have draft misses like every GM, but looking at that draft Skyy is the only glaring miss of the valuable picks.

Rice however looks like he could be a good player.

54 is close enough.

TEX · 10-05-2023, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There are plenty of good WR's taken in round 2 and later, this idea that Hardman was a good pick is kinda ehh...he's a gadget athlete that never really became a viable WR.

Yeah, but I get why he was drafted. That was right on the heels of the Tyreek Hill incident, and the Chiefs did not know how that was going to turn out and they were looking for someone that could also help them in the return game kind of a speed burner gadget kind of type guy that they could take the top off a defense. I get it

TEX · 10-05-2023, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Not more.

Ok. Will take your word for it. Just seems like they're running more this year

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2023, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Ok. Will take your word for it. Just seems like they're running more this year

Not on third down.

O.city · 10-05-2023, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There are plenty of good WR's taken in round 2 and later, this idea that Hardman was a good pick is kinda ehh...he's a gadget athlete that never really became a viable WR.

Plenty? Nah.

There's some for sure. The miss rate is gonna be alot higher.

Hardman put up 550-600 yards, while behind Kelce and Hill. That's a productive player.

staylor26 · 10-05-2023, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's kind of shitty that we took a guy with a top 50 pick and we're supposed to just be like "oh well he's a JAG it's ok"

Yea, god forbid our GM doesn't bat a thousand!

So shitty!

-King- · 10-05-2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Plenty? Nah.

There's some for sure. The miss rate is gonna be alot higher.

Hardman put up 550-600 yards, while behind Kelce and Hill. That's a productive player.

9/10 of the top WR in yards this year were drafted in the 2nd round or later.

RaidersOftheCellar · 10-05-2023, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Probably true. But it doesn't help that there were guys there who would have been better picks than Hardman and Skyy. Its a crap shoot and Veach does not have the benefit of hindsight. And I get that also. He hits on more than he misses. Just not at WR it seems. Will suck if Hardman turns out to be the best of the bunch.

I don’t think the “Veach can’t draft WRs” narrative is fair. He has yet to take a huge swing. No first rounders. The highest pick has been late 2nd round. I think Hardman was fine for a late 2nd rounder and Rice looks like a good pick. Jury’s out on Moore. I wasn’t a huge fan of the pick when it happened, but it’s too early to call him a bust. I’m betting that he’ll have a decent career. If not, it’s only one miss.

O.city · 10-05-2023, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

9/10 of the top WR in yards this year were drafted in the 2nd round or later.

Well, yeah, the majority of WR's are coming from those places.

Compared to the amount of guys overall at WR drafted in those rounds, the odds are you're gonna get more Parris Campbell than AJ Brown.

staylor26 · 10-05-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I don’t think the “Veach can’t draft WRs” narrative is fair. He has yet to take a huge swing. No first rounders. The highest pick has been late 2nd round. I think Hardman was fine for a late 2nd rounder and Rice looks like a good pick. Jury’s out on Moore. I wasn’t a huge fan of the pick when it happened, but it’s too early to call him a bust. I’m betting that he’ll have a decent career. If not, it’s only one miss.

People did the same shit with Howie Roseman after missing big on Reagor (passed up Jefferson), and JJ Arcega-Whiteside (a real bust, not Hardman).

Then he drafted DeVonta Smith and traded for AJ Brown and the narrative disappeared.

Not too long ago the narrative was that the Chiefs couldn't draft edge rushers, or were at least struggling. They missed big on two guys (Kpass and Speaks). Then they drafted Karlaftis.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-482950	There are plenty of good WR's taken in round 2 and later, this idea that Hardman was a good pick is kinda ehh...he's a gadget athlete that never really became a viable WR.
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