*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Seattle ain't beating the Bucs in a shootout. The Bucs can get stops. Seattle can't.

That Chiefs team could atleast rush the passer. This Seattle team can't do shit on defense. They may win a playoff game if Russ just goes ham, but they aren't beat 2 or 3 good teams to win a SB with that defense.

Umm did you watch the Chargers/Bucs game?

That Bucs defense is dominant against offenses that rely on running the football because their run defense is phenomenal. Their pass rush isn’t elite and their secondary is far from great.

They will struggle against passing teams that don’t need to run the ball, and that Chargers game was a perfect example of how they match up with the Seahawks and Chiefs. It’s not good.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm did you watch the Chargers/Bucs game?

That Bucs defense is dominant against offenses that rely on running the football because their run defense is phenomenal. Their pass rush isn’t elite and their secondary is far from great.

They will struggle against passing teams that don’t need to run the ball, and that Chargers game was a perfect example of how they match up with the Seahawks and Chiefs. It’s not good.

Again, the Bucs can atleast get stops. Seattle can't. It's literally the Chiefs in 2018 minus the Chiefs pass rushers.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Again, the Bucs can atleast get stops. Seattle can't. It's literally the Chiefs in 2018 minus the Chiefs pass rushers.

If that Seattle offense is clicking it won’t matter, just like it didn’t with the Chiefs offense in 2018.

Dee Ford lining up offsides doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs had a legitimate shot to win it all despite how bad that defense was. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. The D, as bad as it was, wasn’t the difference. It was Dee Ford’s brain fart. The rest of the D did just enough and should’ve won the game.

I agree that the Seahawks defense likely will cost them in the end, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance in a shootout with the Bucs. They absolutely do, just like the Chargers did until Herbert made a rookie mistake.

I agree with your overall premise, I just don’t agree with the absolutes you’re talking in.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If that Seattle offense is clicking it won’t matter, just like it didn’t with the Chiefs offense in 2018.

Dee Ford lining up offsides doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs had a legitimate shot to win it all despite how bad that defense was. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. The D, as bad as it was, wasn’t the difference. It was Dee Ford’s brain fart.

I agree that the Seahawks defense likely will cost them in the end, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance in a shootout with the Bucs. They absolutely do, just like the Chargers did until Herbert made a rookie mistake.

I agree with your overall premise, I just don’t agree with the absolutes you’re talking in.

Arguing with my expertise as usual, you have seen how that turns out, I'm surprised you wish to do it again.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If that Seattle offense is clicking it won’t matter, just like it didn’t with the Chiefs offense in 2018.

Dee Ford lining up offsides doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs had a legitimate shot to win it all despite how bad that defense was. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. The D, as bad as it was, wasn’t the difference. It was Dee Ford’s brain fart. The rest of the D did just enough and should’ve won the game.

I agree that the Seahawks defense likely will cost them in the end, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance in a shootout with the Bucs. They absolutely do, just like the Chargers did until Herbert made a rookie mistake.

I agree with your overall premise, I just don’t agree with the absolutes you’re talking in.

I think by seasons end, the Buccaneers will be better than the 2018 Patriots

I don’t see anyone stopping Tampa in the NFC. Would take a big upset. I think we’re gonna get to see two Chiefs-Bucs games at Raymond James Dtadium this season

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If that Seattle offense is clicking it won’t matter, just like it didn’t with the Chiefs offense in 2018.

Dee Ford lining up offsides doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs had a legitimate shot to win it all despite how bad that defense was. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. The D, as bad as it was, wasn’t the difference. It was Dee Ford’s brain fart. The rest of the D did just enough and should’ve won the game.

I agree that the Seahawks defense likely will cost them in the end, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance in a shootout with the Bucs. They absolutely do, just like the Chargers did until Herbert made a rookie mistake.

I agree with your overall premise, I just don’t agree with the absolutes you’re talking in.

But on a real note, if Seattle atleast had a few pass rushers or something, i'd agree.

But they don't. Their defense is considerably worse than KC's. Alteast KC could get a sack or something.

Seattle also has to play some other good offenses thru the NFC in the playoffs. I just don't see it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

But on a real note, if Seattle atleast had a few pass rushers or something, i'd agree.

But they don't. Their defense is considerably worse than KC's. Alteast KC could get a sack or something.

Seattle also has to play some other good offenses thru the NFC in the playoffs. I just don't see it.

It’s also entirely possible that the Seahawks get the #1 seed, which is why I am not going to count them out of the NFC race as well.

With the #1 seed and the MVP, the Seahawks still have a chance. That’s all I’m saying and it’s totally fair.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s also entirely possible that the Seahawks get the #1 seed, which is why I am not going to count them out of the NFC race as well.

With the #1 seed and the MVP, the Seahawks still have a chance. That’s all I’m saying and it’s totally fair.

In normal times, yeah HFA would help. In these times, I don't think it's much of a difference.

I also don't think they end up with the 1 seed. They've still gotta play SF twice and the rest of their division is good. Plus, they haven't beaten anyone worth a shit yet. I'm skeptical on them.

[O.city]

I actually wouldn't be shocked if Arizona won that division.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

In normal times, yeah HFA would help. In these times, I don't think it's much of a difference.

I also don't think they end up with the 1 seed. They've still gotta play SF twice and the rest of their division is good. Plus, they haven't beaten anyone worth a shit yet. I'm skeptical on them.

It’s not about HFA.

It’s about being the only team to get a bye. You understand that, right?

I don’t think they’re going to blow teams out, but Wilson is playing good enough to have that team at 14-2 or 13-3. When your QB is playing like Wilson is in the RS, and you get off to a good start, you always have a good shot at the #1 seed.

I know I’m not expecting Jimmy G or Goff to win more than a game against him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s not about HFA.

It’s about being the only team to get a bye. You understand that, right?

Sure.

Still don't think they'll win 3 games against legit teams with that defense. Maybe 1.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Originally Posted by O.city

In normal times, yeah HFA would help. In these times, I don't think it's much of a difference.

I also don't think they end up with the 1 seed. They've still gotta play SF twice and the rest of their division is good. Plus, they haven't beaten anyone worth a shit yet. I'm skeptical on them.

It's a big difference if GB gets home field. Having to go to Lambeau in January, have fun with that.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I actually wouldn't be shocked if Arizona won that division.

I wouldn't be surprised but I wonder if they've got the horses on defense now that Chandler Jones is done for the year. If Budda misses anymore time then they're damn near a Seahawks-level D with an inferior QB.


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[Redbled]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s also entirely possible that the Seahawks get the #1 seed, which is why I am not going to count them out of the NFC race as well.

With the #1 seed and the MVP, the Seahawks still have a chance. That’s all I’m saying and it’s totally fair.

I don’t see Seattle with the 1 seed playing in that division. Bucs have a super easy schedule. I hope I’m wrong.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If that Seattle offense is clicking it won’t matter, just like it didn’t with the Chiefs offense in 2018.

Dee Ford lining up offsides doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs had a legitimate shot to win it all despite how bad that defense was. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. The D, as bad as it was, wasn’t the difference. It was Dee Ford’s brain fart. The rest of the D did just enough and should’ve won the game.

I agree that the Seahawks defense likely will cost them in the end, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance in a shootout with the Bucs. They absolutely do, just like the Chargers did until Herbert made a rookie mistake.

I agree with your overall premise, I just don’t agree with the absolutes you’re talking in.

I swear I think we probably would've won that game if we didn't start a cold and rusty Eric Berry. He killed us on like 4 HUGE 3rd and long conversions.