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Was it his? Yes. Was there a heavy hand in the final product? Yes.
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The Resistance "Bomber" was annoyingly dumb, even for scifi. Zero gravity, yet they're replicating a B10 bomb run dropping bombs out the bottom. Lazy writing.
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Again, I think if the scene in the throne room had gone differently (and they wouldn't have purposefully shit on Luke's character) there would be a more positive response...
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That's not the way she works.
Abrams and Kasdan wrote Episode VII. Abrams and Chris Terrio are writing Episode IX and just pitched the story to Iger. Kasdan wrote Solo. Rian Johnson wrote this entire film while JJ was shooting TFA and he even asked JJ to change something at the end of TFA that would help his story. I've stated several times throughout this thread that everyone from Kasdan to Lucasfilm staffers have said that Rian Johnson's movie is "weird" and doesn't feel like "Star Wars". I'd also made mention that many people were thrilled that JJ was co-writing Episode IX because he'd "Right the Ship". I expect many of the things in TLJ to be reversed in Abrams film because Rian Johnson just basically said "Snoke doesn't matter, Rey's parents don't matter, Captain Phasma is worthless and Luke is better off dead". That was all Rian Johnson. And Kathleen Kennedy isn't a writer or a director or a storyteller. She's a producer, which means that she provides support (i.e. studio, crew, etc.) for her storyteller(s), in this case, Rian Johnson. |
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I find it next to impossible to believe there weren’t all kinds of back-and-forth on the film but given the end product and how it tears down many of the set-ups from TFA I could be wrong. |
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What's interesting is that Rogue One was an unmitigated success that clearly surpassed (and eventually changed) what the Star Wars Stories would become and earn at the box office. KK was so busy with overseeing all of the changes to Rogue One, then hiring Trevorrow and setting up Episode IX while Lord & Miller were making a film that was waaaaaaaaaay out of the loop of what Star Wars is meant to be that it's possible that she just lost track of Episode VIII (that last part's not confirmed but I have heard that she's been laser focused on Solo since firing Lord & Miller). Rehiring Abrams was a no-brainer for her because she trusts him implicitly and it's just one less thing for her to manage. What's really strange is that Rian Johnson's film is such a mess that the story group, led by Kiri Hart, couldn't help to create a better story. I had heard that the first draft contained way too many new characters and that KK asked him to cut them out of the film in order to focus on Rey & Ren but that's about the extent of the original changes. Meanwhile, Dave Filoni's overseen years of animated stories that were far more coherent and believable in the Star Wars galaxy than just about everything put forth in The Last Jedi but wasn't a part of the creative process whatsoever. It's just weird. |
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This is appropriately glib. It's pretty much the kind of smart-assed approach to criticism that this movie probably deserved.
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As you say, it's just weird. |
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The bomber scene didn't bother me like it has others. It annoyed me more that the bombers were just a chain reaction of explosions. But it was dumb that you'd use space bombs that require a ship to be over another ship when you could have just used missiles. Or had the bombers just be drones filled with bombs that can ram the Dreadnought at hyperspace speeds... ![]() As this movie does in so many other ways it was a scene in search of a reason to exist or a point to make. RJ seemed to think we had to have the "moment" with Rose's sis to connect up with Rose and give her some backstory (that is almost immediately forgotten). |
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The entire situation is weird.
After selling to Disney and appointing KK as the CEO of Lucasfilm, her first act was to throw out 34 years of Expanded Universe novels, comic books, board games and video games, dubbing them "Legends". As much as I disliked many of the liberties taken in some of the EU novels, there was a solid foundation for stories beyond Return of the Jedi, even if it had been decided to make certain aspects canon and other aspects non-canon. Then, they put together this is Story Group, led by Kiri Hart and put Pablo Hidalgo in charge of overseeing the entire universe and tying each new aspect together by giving aliens names, the Visual Dictionaries, etc. while KK goes on a crazy hunt for an Episode VII director after hiring Michael Arndt to script the film. She was turned down by more than half a dozen directors and wound up with Abrams, who insisted on writing the story for VII, so Arndt was dumped. Josh Trank was quickly dumped for the Boba Fett movie but Gareth Edwards was announced as the director for Rogue One (which had a story developed by John Knoll and Gary Whitta and scripted by Whitta, only to be re-written by Chris Weitz, with the 3rd act re-written again by Tony Gilroy). After the success of The Force Awakens (in which Abrams had quite a bit of help from Speilberg and Ava Duvernay after principle photography and the initial edit), Colin Trevorrow is hired for IX, Rian Johnson had been writing VIII while Lord & Miller were hired to direct Solo, a script by Kasdan. Meanwhile, and even weirder, is that Dave Filoni, who co-wrote and produced The Clone Wars animated series with George Lucas, began to reintroduce many aspects of canon that had been thrown out on Day One by KK, into Star Wars Rebels. Trevorrow is fired after the awful box office of The Book of Henry flopped, Lord & Miller are fired for being too wacky, Ron Howard is hired to re-shoot Solo, Jack Thorne is hired to script Episode IX yet less than a month later, it's announced that Abrams will direct Episode IX and co-write the script with Chris Terrio. It doesn't take a critical eye to see that the whole thing is a gigantic cluster**** of epic proportions. It's going to take a massive effort to turn things around for Episode IX to win back the fans and make the Star Wars galaxy coherent. Good luck, JJ. |
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$445 million domestic after 13 days. About to tick over $900 million worldwide.
Rogue One was at $358 million. Disney has to be pleased!
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Only 26% of Rogue One's total receipts came from the opening weekend. You should really stop posting about box office revenues, as you are clearly clueless. |
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