Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 19

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**wazu** · 02-05-2011, 12:57 AM

Okay, I'm going to go ahead and play by the "old" rules and just list starters. I don't have the energy to re-do this whole thing and allow back-ups to start.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16
Brodie Croyle - 0 (1)

RB
Jamaal Charles - 6
Thomas Jones - 10
Jackie Battle - 0

FB
Tim Castille - 4

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16
Chris Chambers - 7
Jeremy Horne - 0
Desmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0
Scrub - 9

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 0
Jake O'Connell - 2
Scrub - 8

T
Branden Albert - 15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1
Selvish Capers (Free Agent) - 0
Scrub - 16

G
Brian Waters - 16
Ryan Lilja - 15
Jon Asamoah - 1

C
Rudy Niswanger - 0
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0
Scrub - 16

K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

S
Eric Berry - 16
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1
Scrub - 15

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15
Brandon Carr - 15
Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 2 (9)

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16
Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1
Andy Studebaker - 0
Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0
Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0
Scrub - 15

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16
Demorrio Williams - 0
Corey Mays - 0
Scrub - 16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16
Wallace Gilberry - 2
Bobby Greenwood - 0
Scrub - 14

NT
Ron Edwards - 15
Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0
Dion Gales - 0

**Rain Man** · 02-05-2011, 02:42 AM

Here's my team. Let's see how we stack up.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16 (QB rating of 75.3)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10
Brodie Croyle - 0/1

I'm okay at QB for the long term, though in the short term my young QBs aren't going to carry the team. Not sure if we're better than the real Chiefs in 2010 or not, but I like our future.

HB
Jamaal Charles 6/6 (1,467 yards, 6.4 ypc)
Jones, Thomas 10/10 (896 yards, 3.7 ypc)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1 (He's my kick returner - 23.0 per KR, 14.6 per PR)
Jackie Battle - 0/0

Charles and Jones are getting it done, meaning that we're primarily a running team this year. I realize that Spiller didn't make a big splash as a rookie, but he was a good returner for us and I think brings versatility. He'll be an asset in the long run. Spiller makes us stronger than the real Chiefs.

FB
Tim Castille, FB 4/4
(We'll start Pope for 6 games, and start Thomas Jones at FB for 6 games.)

At fullback, we're about like the Chiefs were, but without Cox, so I'm installing Jones in there sometimes. I think it'll work. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16 (1,162 yds, 16.1 ypr)
Chris Chambers, WR - 15/7 (213 yds, 9.7 ypr) - Chambers will have to step up and start 15 games)
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 1/1 (30 yds, 10.0 ypr)
11 Horne, Jeremy - 0/0

Okay, our receivers were a disaster, but so were the real Chiefs receivers. We're crippling by this year, and relying on our good TE to be a #2 receiver. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16 (656 yds, 9.4 ypr)
Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6 as a blocker/fullback

I love Moeaki, but Gonzalez is the man, despite a statistical down year. We're strong here.

T
Branden Albert - 15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0

Having cut Richardson, we're going to rely on good ol' Wade Smith to fill in at tackle along with Albert. We've drafted both Boone and Bruce Campbell, but Boone's not ready yet and Campbell has been moved to guard. We're weaker than the real Chiefs

G
Brian Waters - 16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15
Wade Smith - 16/1 (starting at tackle)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0

We've got good Chiefs guards here, and had Smith as a backup until we needed him at tackle. Campbell appeared in 10 games and has hope, and we keep hoping that Robinson won't be a total bust since he was in IR all year. I think we were stronger here than the real Chiefs.

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16

We were solid here, though we're a bit long in the tooth. Weaker than the real Chiefs since we had no backup (other than the versatile Wade Smith).

K
(Scrub) - 16/16

I really regret not drafting Succop. We haven't been able to find a kicker since then.

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16

Colquitt. Love Colquitt.

FS
Lewis, Kendrick - 10/10 - 30t, 3int, 1ff
Jarrad Page 6/1 - 12t, 2int, 0ff

We don't have McGraw, but we kept Page and presumably signed him. I think we're actually slightly better than the real Chiefs here.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 16/2 - 21t, 1int, 0ff

We drafted Spiller instead of Berry, so I hope he works out. Without Berry, we're using rookie Reshad Jones as our strong safety and forcing him into a starting role.

CB
Brandon Flowers 15/15 - 65t, 2int, 1ff
Brandon Carr 16/16 - 57t, 1int, 0ff
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0 42t, 4int, 1ff
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0

I think we're pretty strong here, even without Arenas. D.J. Moore did fine as a nickel and Daniels was our dime. We're probably almost as good as the real Chiefs.

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15 (75t, 1s, 2i, 0ff)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 16/1 (30t, 0s, 0i, 0ff)
Andy Studebaker - 1/0 (28t, 2.5s, 0i, 0ff)

Note that we're running a 4-3, so Hali is on the line. At OLB we've got Maualuga, who's solid, and we pressed promising rookie Dekoda Watson into a starting role. Studebaker comes in on passing downs. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

ILB
Derrick Johnson 16/16 (121t, 1s, 1i, 4ff)
Demorrio Williams 0/0

Johnson was a rock for me, and Williams is a capable backup. We cut Belcher, which was a mistake, so we're weaker than the real Chiefs.

DE
Tamba Hali 16/16 (52t, 14.5s, 0i, 4ff)
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16 (69t, 2s, 0i, 0ff) starting 5 games at DT
Wallace Gilberry 5/2 (23t, 7s, 0i, 2ff)
DE Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0

I think we're strong at DE, with a lot of depth. Hali is going to line up at RE in a pass rush role, and on the left side we'll have a combination of Dorsey (moving around on the line) and Gilberry, with Carrington as a backup.

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15 (28t, 2s, 0i, 0ff)
Smith, Shaun - 10/10 (57t, 1s, 0i, 0ff)
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 2/2 (12t, 0.5s, 0i, 0ff)

We're strong here. We've got Edwards and Smith, with Pryor backing them up, and due to Gilberry's strong performance we were able to move Dorsey inside for 5 starts.

Overall, I think my offense would be equivalent to, or maybe slightly better than, that of the real Chiefs, depending on how you would compare Sanchez to Cassel, Gonzalez to Moeaki, and Wade Smith to Barry Richardson. We also add Spiller.

On defense, we're not as far along as the current Chiefs. Our d-line has a bit more depth, and our linebacker corps adds Maualuga, which is a plus. Our safeties are quite a bit weaker, though.

Without Succop, our kicking game isn't as good.

Overall, I don't think we would've had as good a record as the current Chiefs, but my hope is that I'm developing a strong offensive backfield.

patteeu · 02-07-2011, 12:46 PM

Here's my revised final roster w/ starts:

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1

I'm comfortable with my QB situation for now. Obviously I need a better backup, if not a new starter.

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RB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6
Thomas Jones - 10/10
Jackie Battle

I can't complain about my RBs this year, but Thomas Jones seemed to hit a wall so I'll probably be looking for a compliment to JC this off season.

FB
Tim Castille - 4/4

Blah. My team mostly used a 3 WR, 1 RB set, I guess.

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WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16
Chris Chambers - 7/13
Dexter McCluster - 7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/8
Jeremy Horne

And the 3 WRs usually weren't all that impressive.

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Scrub - 10
Brad Cottam (IR)

I still like Brad Cottam, but he didn't do me a damn bit of good on IR this year. I hope Scrub can run block.

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T
Branden Albert - 15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1
Brian Waters - 16/16

G
Ryan Lilja - 15/15
Jon Asamoah - 1/15
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2

C
Rudy Niswanger - 0/6
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/10

My offensive line was in tough shape this season. I had to use Brian Waters at Tackle for the whole campaign. He played 15 games at RT and one over at LT when Albert was dinged up.

I had to press rookies Asamoah and Tennant into service earlier than I'd have liked. I have hope that the two of them and Kraig Urbik will develop into a solid interior line in future years.

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K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

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FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1/6

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 12/1

My secondary is the strength of my team. Verner as nickleback is a luxury compared to my lack of depth everywhere else. I even had thoughts of trying Brandon Carr at FS while Kendrick Lewis was out.

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OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 0/14
Corey Mays - 0/2
Demorrio Williams

Lee showed signs of being a pretty decent player this year. Whether he and Johnson are the final answer at ILB for us is an open question. I'll need a replacement for Vrabel this offseason one way or another.

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DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3
Shaun Smith - 10/13
Wallace Gilberry

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/16
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

Tank Tyler was a big disappointment, but this group of linemen did better than I originally expected.

chiefscafan · 02-07-2011, 02:02 PM

Ok I'll have mine tomorrow

**Old Dog** · 02-07-2011, 03:00 PM

I wish I had stuck to this one since AR#3 went tits up

**Rain Man** · 02-07-2011, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog

I wish I had stuck to this one since AR#3 went tits up

I was pondering getting that one back up and running. I just need to find a few new owners since I had some folks drop out. Are you interested? It wouldn't take much to get it back up and running again.

**Old Dog** · 02-07-2011, 03:13 PM

My team there looks pretty decent (just looked at it) and I had a few extra draft picks coming as well in the rookie draft, if you get it back going, I'm still game for it.

**Rain Man** · 02-07-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog

My team there looks pretty decent (just looked at it) and I had a few extra draft picks coming as well in the rookie draft, if you get it back going, I'm still game for it.

Cool, I was planning to do that. All we'd have to do is include last year's rookies in the free agent draft, and I think we're fine.

I guess we need to come up with a draft order, too. Might just make it random.

chiefscafan · 02-08-2011, 03:18 PM

#266
chiefscafan
Veteran

Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: manhattan beach, CA
Casino cash: $15450 ok here is my updated roster

qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.

2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida

QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
15 skelton, john qb 1 start

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts
20 thomas jones - 10 starts

FB
42 Cox, Mike - 2 starts
scrub - 14 starts

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
17 curtis , kevin
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
19 vernan tucker - 1 start

TE
49 leonard pope - 6 starts
87 Cottam, Brad
scrub - 10 starts

T
76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan - 1 start
63 Andrew Gardner OT
54 waters, brian - 1 start
scrub - 15 starts
G
54 Waters, Brian - 15 starts
74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
C
62 wegman casey - 16 starts
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

FS
47 john mcgraw -5 starts
37 kam chancellor
21 arenas - 1 start
scrub - 10 starts
SS
29 berry, eric - 16 starts

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts
39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts
31 Leggett, Maurice
21 arenas, javier - 1 start

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
50 Vrabel, Mike - 16 starts
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton
55 sheffield

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts
95 greenwood, correy

DE

72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts
69 Selvie, George
scrub - 4 starts
DT

93 Thomas, CAm
67 Gales, Dion
sccrub - 16 starts

IR:

59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
54 Micha Johnson - ILB (chiefs)

Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
ETC

chiefscafan · 02-08-2011, 03:20 PM

rainman if you can figure out who has what pick i'm game as well

**Rain Man** · 03-14-2011, 12:47 AM

Okay, starting with the formatted rosters.

First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.

Adam, here's what I've got for you. Based on the revised starting rules, my questions are...

At tight end, you have to start Pope in 6 and O'Connell in 2 given their starting stats, so you need to cover 8 more games between them. Pope had 16 appearances, O'Connell 13, and Coffman 6, so if you take out their starts Pope can cover 10 add'l starts, O'Connell 11, or Coffman 6. Take your pick.

Right now you've got a scrub in at 6 games at FB. You've got enough tight end starts that you could start one of them for those six games if you want.

O'Callaghan had 11 appearances so I gave you all 11. I then gave you 5 from "scrub" but you can move someone else over if you want.

Jarrad Page only appeared in 10 games so you've got a scrub for 6. You can move Cox over if you want, assuming that this was before he was arrested.

I think your WRs are as you proposed. I can't recall as I'm typing this. Horne had 3 appearances and Briscoe had 2, while Chambers had 13, so I gave you all of Chambers' and 3 of Horne's. Let me know if you want to change.

I think all of your others are as you initially proposed.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10
Scrub - 6/0

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Jeremy Horne - 3/0/3
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0/0/2

TE
Leonard Pope - 8/6/16
Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 6/0/6
Jake O'Connell - 2/0/13

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Scrub - 6/0
Selvish Capers (Redskins) - 0/0/0

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 1/1/16

C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 10/1/10
Scrub - 6/0

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 1/9/15

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 15/0/16
Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1/1/13
Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0/0/0
Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0/0/0

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 16/0/16
Corey Mays - 0/0/16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Bobby Greenwood - 0/0/0

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1/1/13
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0/0/6
Dion Gales - 0/0/3

**Rain Man** · 03-14-2011, 01:17 AM

First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.

Okay, cachiefsfan, here's what I've got for you. My questions are:

Croyle or Skelton for the one start that Cassel missed?

You want to move Wade Smith or Asamoah over to tackle to cover those scrub starts? You've got enough appearances to do so.

You can start Belcher all 16 games at ILB or give Spikes up to 8. Are you doing the Spikes thing and then Belcher gets the other 8 starts? (Spikes can't start all 16 because he has only 8 starts and you have to use up Belcher's starts before you can start Spikes again.

Your NT is such that you only have 9 starts from Thomas and Gales. However, you've got enough appearances for Gilberry that you could move Shaun Smith or Dorsey inside for a lot of starts. Maybe something like...16 DE for Dorsey, 16 DE for Gilberry, 10 NT for Smith, and 6 NT for Thomas? It'd be better than the scrub. Let me know.

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16
John Skelton - 0/4/5

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16

FB
Mike Cox - 16/2/16

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Michael Crabtree (49ers) - 15/15/16
Verran Tucker - 1/2/11

TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Scrub - 5/0
Andrew Gardner - 0/0/0

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Wade Smith - 16/1/16
Jon Asamoah - 0/1/16

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
John Mcgraw - 15/5/15
Kam Chancellor (Seahawks) - 1/0/16

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Javier Arenas - 1/0/16
Maurice Leggett - 0/0/0

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16
Cameron Sheffield - 0/0/0

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Brandon Spikes (Patriots) - 8/8
Jovan Belcher - 8/16/16
Corey Greenwood - 0/0/16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Smith, Shaun - 10/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 6/2/16
George Selvie - 0/0/0

DT
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 6/0/6
Dion Gales - 3/0/3
Scrub - 7/0

**Rain Man** · 03-14-2011, 01:32 AM

patteeu, here's what I've got for you.

First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.

My questions are:

You initially talked about going 3 WRs, and I wasn't sure if that was choice or necessity. I bumped up Pope to his max of 16 and Castille to his max of 10, which meant that you had to make up 6 other starts from your WR corps. Since you had more than that, I chopped out some of the starts. Let me know if that's a reasonable assumption or if you'd rather see those WRs get more starts.

You can start O'Callaghan up to 11 games if you like, which would mean only 6 games for Waters at tackle if you want to give him some games at guard. Or you can keep it like it is.

You've got a lot of extra capacity at DE if you wanted one of those guys to move inside for a game instead of Toribio (or even some of Edwards' starts). Let me know.

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers - 11/7/13
Dexter McCluster - 11/7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/0/13
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3

TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1/11
Brian Waters - 16/16/16 (at T)

G
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 15/1/16
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2/10

C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 6/1/10

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 1/12/16

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 14/0/14
Corey Mays - 2/0/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3/12
Smith, Shaun - 13/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 0/2/16

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Anthony Toribio - 1/0/5
Tank Tyler (Panthers) - 0/0/0

**Rain Man** · 03-14-2011, 01:47 AM

And here's where I stand. Note that I include a few notes where I've got people making starts at more than one position.

I'm going with a 4-3, so I have 32 DT starts and 16 ILB starts, which is different than everybody else.

First number is the number of starts on my team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16
Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6/16 (starting as blocker)

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Wade Smith - 7/1/16 (1 as G, 6 as T)
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16

K
(Scrub) - 16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15
Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16

DE
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9

DT
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Ron Edwards - 8/15/15
Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9

**Rain Man** · 03-14-2011, 01:57 AM

Okay, so this system makes a lot of sense. At the end of the year, you note the number of NFL starts and NFL games the player appeared in (2nd and 3rd numbers after each player). In the first number, you then define how many starts they made for you.

If you don't have enough starts at a position, you can start a player up to the number of games they appeared in. But you can't start using non-starts unless you've used up all of your starts at that position.

So for example if you have the following players at a position:

Player A: 10 starts, 10 games
Player B: 3 starts, 16 games
Player C: 0 starts, 5 games
Player D: 0 starts, 2 games

You have to use the 13 starts first, and then you can use anyone else for the next 3 as long as you aren't using them for more games than they appeared in. So in the above example, you know you have

10 starts for Player A, and you can't use him any more
3 starts for Player B, and you can give him up to 13 more starts. (You only need 3, but you could also use him at another position if he can keep you from using a scrub there.)
0 starts for Player C, and you can use him for up to 5 more starts.
0 starts for Player D, and you can give him 2 starts but no more.

You would only use a scrub if you didn't have enough game appearances to cover the starting spots.

For example if you had

Player A: 6 starts, 6 games
Player B: 3 starts, 6 games
Player C: 0 starts, 1 game
Player D: 0 starts, 1 game

You'd have all players making their maximum starts (6, 6, 1, 1) and you'd have to use a scrub for the last two games, or give the starts to someone else at another position.

The bottom line rules are this:

No player can start more games than he appeared in.

You have to use all your starts at a position before you can start counting appearances as starts.

Using the codes in the posts below, the rightmost number is the number of games appeared, so you can never start the player more than that number.

Sound good? This is easy to work with and only requires looking up the games started and games played at the end of the season. Not that much work.

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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02-05-2011, 12:57 AM	#271
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $92295 VARSITY	Okay, I'm going to go ahead and play by the "old" rules and just list starters. I don't have the energy to re-do this whole thing and allow back-ups to start. QB Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16 Brodie Croyle - 0 (1) RB Jamaal Charles - 6 Thomas Jones - 10 Jackie Battle - 0 FB Tim Castille - 4 WR Dwayne Bowe - 16 Chris Chambers - 7 Jeremy Horne - 0 Desmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0 Scrub - 9 TE Leonard Pope - 6 Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 0 Jake O'Connell - 2 Scrub - 8 T Branden Albert - 15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 1 Selvish Capers (Free Agent) - 0 Scrub - 16 G Brian Waters - 16 Ryan Lilja - 15 Jon Asamoah - 1 C Rudy Niswanger - 0 Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0 Scrub - 16 K Ryan Succop - 16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16 S Eric Berry - 16 Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1 Scrub - 15 CB Brandon Flowers - 15 Brandon Carr - 15 Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 2 (9) OLB Tamba Hali - 16 Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1 Andy Studebaker - 0 Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0 Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0 Scrub - 15 ILB Derrick Johnson - 16 Demorrio Williams - 0 Corey Mays - 0 Scrub - 16 DE Glenn Dorsey - 16 Wallace Gilberry - 2 Bobby Greenwood - 0 Scrub - 14 NT Ron Edwards - 15 Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1 Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0 Dion Gales - 0
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02-05-2011, 02:42 AM	#272
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Here's my team. Let's see how we stack up. QB Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16 (QB rating of 75.3) Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10 Brodie Croyle - 0/1 I'm okay at QB for the long term, though in the short term my young QBs aren't going to carry the team. Not sure if we're better than the real Chiefs in 2010 or not, but I like our future. HB Jamaal Charles 6/6 (1,467 yards, 6.4 ypc) Jones, Thomas 10/10 (896 yards, 3.7 ypc) C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1 (He's my kick returner - 23.0 per KR, 14.6 per PR) Jackie Battle - 0/0 Charles and Jones are getting it done, meaning that we're primarily a running team this year. I realize that Spiller didn't make a big splash as a rookie, but he was a good returner for us and I think brings versatility. He'll be an asset in the long run. Spiller makes us stronger than the real Chiefs. FB Tim Castille, FB 4/4 (We'll start Pope for 6 games, and start Thomas Jones at FB for 6 games.) At fullback, we're about like the Chiefs were, but without Cox, so I'm installing Jones in there sometimes. I think it'll work. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here. WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16 (1,162 yds, 16.1 ypr) Chris Chambers, WR - 15/7 (213 yds, 9.7 ypr) - Chambers will have to step up and start 15 games) Derrick Williams (Lions) - 1/1 (30 yds, 10.0 ypr) 11 Horne, Jeremy - 0/0 Okay, our receivers were a disaster, but so were the real Chiefs receivers. We're crippling by this year, and relying on our good TE to be a #2 receiver. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here. TE Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16 (656 yds, 9.4 ypr) Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6 as a blocker/fullback I love Moeaki, but Gonzalez is the man, despite a statistical down year. We're strong here. T Branden Albert - 15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1 Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0 Having cut Richardson, we're going to rely on good ol' Wade Smith to fill in at tackle along with Albert. We've drafted both Boone and Bruce Campbell, but Boone's not ready yet and Campbell has been moved to guard. We're weaker than the real Chiefs G Brian Waters - 16/16 Lilja, Ryan - 15/15 Wade Smith - 16/1 (starting at tackle) Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0 Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0 We've got good Chiefs guards here, and had Smith as a backup until we needed him at tackle. Campbell appeared in 10 games and has hope, and we keep hoping that Robinson won't be a total bust since he was in IR all year. I think we were stronger here than the real Chiefs. C Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16 We were solid here, though we're a bit long in the tooth. Weaker than the real Chiefs since we had no backup (other than the versatile Wade Smith). K (Scrub) - 16/16 I really regret not drafting Succop. We haven't been able to find a kicker since then. P Dustin Colquitt - 16/16 Colquitt. Love Colquitt. FS Lewis, Kendrick - 10/10 - 30t, 3int, 1ff Jarrad Page 6/1 - 12t, 2int, 0ff We don't have McGraw, but we kept Page and presumably signed him. I think we're actually slightly better than the real Chiefs here. SS Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 16/2 - 21t, 1int, 0ff We drafted Spiller instead of Berry, so I hope he works out. Without Berry, we're using rookie Reshad Jones as our strong safety and forcing him into a starting role. CB Brandon Flowers 15/15 - 65t, 2int, 1ff Brandon Carr 16/16 - 57t, 1int, 0ff D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0 42t, 4int, 1ff Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0 I think we're pretty strong here, even without Arenas. D.J. Moore did fine as a nickel and Daniels was our dime. We're probably almost as good as the real Chiefs. OLB Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15 (75t, 1s, 2i, 0ff) Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 16/1 (30t, 0s, 0i, 0ff) Andy Studebaker - 1/0 (28t, 2.5s, 0i, 0ff) Note that we're running a 4-3, so Hali is on the line. At OLB we've got Maualuga, who's solid, and we pressed promising rookie Dekoda Watson into a starting role. Studebaker comes in on passing downs. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here. ILB Derrick Johnson 16/16 (121t, 1s, 1i, 4ff) Demorrio Williams 0/0 Johnson was a rock for me, and Williams is a capable backup. We cut Belcher, which was a mistake, so we're weaker than the real Chiefs. DE Tamba Hali 16/16 (52t, 14.5s, 0i, 4ff) Glenn Dorsey - 16/16 (69t, 2s, 0i, 0ff) starting 5 games at DT Wallace Gilberry 5/2 (23t, 7s, 0i, 2ff) DE Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0 I think we're strong at DE, with a lot of depth. Hali is going to line up at RE in a pass rush role, and on the left side we'll have a combination of Dorsey (moving around on the line) and Gilberry, with Carrington as a backup. DT Ron Edwards - 15/15 (28t, 2s, 0i, 0ff) Smith, Shaun - 10/10 (57t, 1s, 0i, 0ff) Myron Pryor (Patriots) 2/2 (12t, 0.5s, 0i, 0ff) We're strong here. We've got Edwards and Smith, with Pryor backing them up, and due to Gilberry's strong performance we were able to move Dorsey inside for 5 starts. Overall, I think my offense would be equivalent to, or maybe slightly better than, that of the real Chiefs, depending on how you would compare Sanchez to Cassel, Gonzalez to Moeaki, and Wade Smith to Barry Richardson. We also add Spiller. On defense, we're not as far along as the current Chiefs. Our d-line has a bit more depth, and our linebacker corps adds Maualuga, which is a plus. Our safeties are quite a bit weaker, though. Without Succop, our kicking game isn't as good. Overall, I don't think we would've had as good a record as the current Chiefs, but my hope is that I'm developing a strong offensive backfield. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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02-07-2011, 12:46 PM	#273
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Here's my revised final roster w/ starts: QB Matt Cassel - 15/15 Brodie Croyle - 1/1 I'm comfortable with my QB situation for now. Obviously I need a better backup, if not a new starter. ------------------------------------------------- RB Jamaal Charles - 6/6 Thomas Jones - 10/10 Jackie Battle I can't complain about my RBs this year, but Thomas Jones seemed to hit a wall so I'll probably be looking for a compliment to JC this off season. FB Tim Castille - 4/4 Blah. My team mostly used a 3 WR, 1 RB set, I guess. ------------------------------------------------- WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16 Chris Chambers - 7/13 Dexter McCluster - 7/11 David Reed (Ravens) - 0/8 Jeremy Horne And the 3 WRs usually weren't all that impressive. TE Leonard Pope - 6 Scrub - 10 Brad Cottam (IR) I still like Brad Cottam, but he didn't do me a damn bit of good on IR this year. I hope Scrub can run block. ------------------------------------------------- T Branden Albert - 15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1 Brian Waters - 16/16 G Ryan Lilja - 15/15 Jon Asamoah - 1/15 Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2 C Rudy Niswanger - 0/6 Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/10 My offensive line was in tough shape this season. I had to use Brian Waters at Tackle for the whole campaign. He played 15 games at RT and one over at LT when Albert was dinged up. I had to press rookies Asamoah and Tennant into service earlier than I'd have liked. I have hope that the two of them and Kraig Urbik will develop into a solid interior line in future years. ------------------------------------------------- K Ryan Succop - 16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16 ------------------------------------------------- FS Kendrick Lewis - 10/10 Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1/6 SS Eric Berry - 16/16 CB Brandon Flowers - 15/15 Brandon Carr - 16/16 Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 12/1 My secondary is the strength of my team. Verner as nickleback is a luxury compared to my lack of depth everywhere else. I even had thoughts of trying Brandon Carr at FS while Kendrick Lewis was out. ------------------------------------------------- OLB Tamba Hali - 16/16 Mike Vrabel - 16/16 Andy Studebaker ILB Derrick Johnson - 16/16 Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 0/14 Corey Mays - 0/2 Demorrio Williams Lee showed signs of being a pretty decent player this year. Whether he and Johnson are the final answer at ILB for us is an open question. I'll need a replacement for Vrabel this offseason one way or another. ------------------------------------------------- DE Glenn Dorsey - 16/16 Tyson Jackson - 3/3 Shaun Smith - 10/13 Wallace Gilberry DT Ron Edwards - 15/16 Tank Tyler (Panthers) Anthony Toribio Tank Tyler was a big disappointment, but this group of linemen did better than I originally expected. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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02-07-2011, 02:02 PM	#274
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	Ok I'll have mine tomorrow
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02-07-2011, 03:00 PM	#275
Old Dog Supporter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Central Kansas Casino cash: $3250201	I wish I had stuck to this one since AR#3 went tits up
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02-07-2011, 03:13 PM	#277
Old Dog Supporter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Central Kansas Casino cash: $3250201	My team there looks pretty decent (just looked at it) and I had a few extra draft picks coming as well in the rookie draft, if you get it back going, I'm still game for it.
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02-08-2011, 03:18 PM	#279
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	#266 chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $15450 ok here is my updated roster qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed rb: same as chiefs wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman k and P: same as chieffs De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas OLB bout the same as chiefs ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ Cb: same as chiefs S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT. 2009 draft #3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers) #67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears) #102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys) #139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles) #175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins) #212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) #237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers) #256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs) ok done some thinking traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami. so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th 2010 draft 1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee 2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama 2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois 4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech 5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina 5th: John Skelton QB Fordham 5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College 6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida QB 7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts 12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama 15 skelton, john qb 1 start HB 25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts 20 thomas jones - 10 starts FB 42 Cox, Mike - 2 starts scrub - 14 starts WR 82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts 17 curtis , kevin 15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts 19 vernan tucker - 1 start TE 49 leonard pope - 6 starts 87 Cottam, Brad scrub - 10 starts T 76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts 75 O'Callaghan, Ryan - 1 start 63 Andrew Gardner OT 54 waters, brian - 1 start scrub - 15 starts G 54 Waters, Brian - 15 starts 74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts 73 Asomah, john - 1 start C 62 wegman casey - 16 starts 61 matt tenet K 6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts P 2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts FS 47 john mcgraw -5 starts 37 kam chancellor 21 arenas - 1 start scrub - 10 starts SS 29 berry, eric - 16 starts CB 24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts 39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts 31 Leggett, Maurice 21 arenas, javier - 1 start OLB 91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts 50 Vrabel, Mike - 16 starts 96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton 55 sheffield ILB 56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts 51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts 59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts 95 greenwood, correy DE 72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts 94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts 90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts 69 Selvie, George scrub - 4 starts DT 93 Thomas, CAm 67 Gales, Dion sccrub - 16 starts IR: 59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys) 88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles) 54 Micha Johnson - ILB (chiefs) Cuts: 10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina 57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas 81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State 43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston 15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State 69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas 90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee 21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville 26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston ETC
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02-08-2011, 03:20 PM	#280
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	rainman if you can figure out who has what pick i'm game as well
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03-14-2011, 12:47 AM	#281
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Okay, starting with the formatted rosters. First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances. Adam, here's what I've got for you. Based on the revised starting rules, my questions are... At tight end, you have to start Pope in 6 and O'Connell in 2 given their starting stats, so you need to cover 8 more games between them. Pope had 16 appearances, O'Connell 13, and Coffman 6, so if you take out their starts Pope can cover 10 add'l starts, O'Connell 11, or Coffman 6. Take your pick. Right now you've got a scrub in at 6 games at FB. You've got enough tight end starts that you could start one of them for those six games if you want. O'Callaghan had 11 appearances so I gave you all 11. I then gave you 5 from "scrub" but you can move someone else over if you want. Jarrad Page only appeared in 10 games so you've got a scrub for 6. You can move Cox over if you want, assuming that this was before he was arrested. I think your WRs are as you proposed. I can't recall as I'm typing this. Horne had 3 appearances and Briscoe had 2, while Chambers had 13, so I gave you all of Chambers' and 3 of Horne's. Let me know if you want to change. I think all of your others are as you initially proposed. QB Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16 Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16 HB Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16 Thomas Jones - 10/10/16 Jackie Battle - 0/0/16 FB Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10 Scrub - 6/0 WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16 Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13 Jeremy Horne - 3/0/3 Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0/0/2 TE Leonard Pope - 8/6/16 Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 6/0/6 Jake O'Connell - 2/0/13 OT Branden Albert - 15/15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11 Scrub - 6/0 Selvish Capers (Redskins) - 0/0/0 G Brian Waters - 16/16/16 Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15 Jon Asamoah - 1/1/16 C Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16 Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16 K Ryan Succop - 16/16/16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16 FS Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 10/1/10 Scrub - 6/0 SS Eric Berry - 16/16/16 CB Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15 Brandon Carr - 16/16/16 Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 1/9/15 OLB Tamba Hali - 16/16/16 Andy Studebaker - 15/0/16 Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1/1/13 Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0/0/0 Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0/0/0 ILB Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16 Demorrio Williams - 16/0/16 Corey Mays - 0/0/16 DE Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16 Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16 Bobby Greenwood - 0/0/0 DT Ron Edwards - 15/15/15 Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1/1/13 Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0/0/6 Dion Gales - 0/0/3 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; 03-14-2011 at 02:04 AM..
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03-14-2011, 01:17 AM	#282
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances. Okay, cachiefsfan, here's what I've got for you. My questions are: Croyle or Skelton for the one start that Cassel missed? You want to move Wade Smith or Asamoah over to tackle to cover those scrub starts? You've got enough appearances to do so. You can start Belcher all 16 games at ILB or give Spikes up to 8. Are you doing the Spikes thing and then Belcher gets the other 8 starts? (Spikes can't start all 16 because he has only 8 starts and you have to use up Belcher's starts before you can start Spikes again. Your NT is such that you only have 9 starts from Thomas and Gales. However, you've got enough appearances for Gilberry that you could move Shaun Smith or Dorsey inside for a lot of starts. Maybe something like...16 DE for Dorsey, 16 DE for Gilberry, 10 NT for Smith, and 6 NT for Thomas? It'd be better than the scrub. Let me know. QB Matt Cassel - 15/15/15 Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16 John Skelton - 0/4/5 HB Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16 Thomas Jones - 10/10/16 FB Mike Cox - 16/2/16 WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16 Michael Crabtree (49ers) - 15/15/16 Verran Tucker - 1/2/11 TE Leonard Pope - 16/6/16 Brad Cottam 0/0/0 OT Branden Albert - 15/15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11 Scrub - 5/0 Andrew Gardner - 0/0/0 G Brian Waters - 16/16/16 Wade Smith - 16/1/16 Jon Asamoah - 0/1/16 C Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16 Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16 K Ryan Succop - 16/16/16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16 FS John Mcgraw - 15/5/15 Kam Chancellor (Seahawks) - 1/0/16 SS Eric Berry - 16/16/16 CB Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15 Brandon Carr - 16/16/16 Javier Arenas - 1/0/16 Maurice Leggett - 0/0/0 OLB Tamba Hali - 16/16/16 Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16 Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16 Cameron Sheffield - 0/0/0 ILB Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16 Brandon Spikes (Patriots) - 8/8 Jovan Belcher - 8/16/16 Corey Greenwood - 0/0/16 DE Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16 Smith, Shaun - 10/10/16 Wallace Gilberry 6/2/16 George Selvie - 0/0/0 DT Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 6/0/6 Dion Gales - 3/0/3 Scrub - 7/0 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; 03-14-2011 at 02:04 AM..
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03-14-2011, 01:32 AM	#283
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	patteeu, here's what I've got for you. First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances. My questions are: You initially talked about going 3 WRs, and I wasn't sure if that was choice or necessity. I bumped up Pope to his max of 16 and Castille to his max of 10, which meant that you had to make up 6 other starts from your WR corps. Since you had more than that, I chopped out some of the starts. Let me know if that's a reasonable assumption or if you'd rather see those WRs get more starts. You can start O'Callaghan up to 11 games if you like, which would mean only 6 games for Waters at tackle if you want to give him some games at guard. Or you can keep it like it is. You've got a lot of extra capacity at DE if you wanted one of those guys to move inside for a game instead of Toribio (or even some of Edwards' starts). Let me know. QB Matt Cassel - 15/15/15 Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16 HB Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16 Thomas Jones - 10/10/16 Jackie Battle - 0/0/16 FB Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10 WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16 Chris Chambers - 11/7/13 Dexter McCluster - 11/7/11 David Reed (Ravens) - 0/0/13 Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3 TE Leonard Pope - 16/6/16 Brad Cottam 0/0/0 OT Branden Albert - 15/15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1/11 Brian Waters - 16/16/16 (at T) G Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15 Jon Asamoah - 15/1/16 Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2/10 C Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16 Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16 K Ryan Succop - 16/16/16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16 FS Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10 Jarrad Page (Patriots) 6/1/10 SS Eric Berry - 16/16/16 CB Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15 Brandon Carr - 16/16/16 Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 1/12/16 OLB Tamba Hali - 16/16/16 Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16 Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16 ILB Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16 Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 14/0/14 Corey Mays - 2/0/16 Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16 DE Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16 Tyson Jackson - 3/3/12 Smith, Shaun - 13/10/16 Wallace Gilberry 0/2/16 DT Ron Edwards - 15/15/15 Anthony Toribio - 1/0/5 Tank Tyler (Panthers) - 0/0/0 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; 03-14-2011 at 02:05 AM..
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03-14-2011, 01:47 AM	#284
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	And here's where I stand. Note that I include a few notes where I've got people making starts at more than one position. I'm going with a 4-3, so I have 32 DT starts and 16 ILB starts, which is different than everybody else. First number is the number of starts on my team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances. QB Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16 Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13 Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16 HB Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16 Thomas Jones - 10/10/16 C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14 Jackie Battle - 0/0/16 FB Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10 WR Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16 Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13 Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7 Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3 TE Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16 Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6/16 (starting as blocker) OT Branden Albert - 15/15/15 Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11 Wade Smith - 7/1/16 (1 as G, 6 as T) Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1 G Brian Waters - 16/16/16 Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15 Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10 Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0 C Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16 K (Scrub) - 16/16 P Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16 FS Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10 Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS) SS Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13 CB Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15 Brandon Carr - 16/16/16 D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16 Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16 OLB Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15 Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15 Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16 ILB Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16 Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16 DE Tamba Hali - 16/16/16 Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16 Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9 DT Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16 Ron Edwards - 8/15/15 Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16 Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; 03-14-2011 at 02:03 AM..
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03-14-2011, 01:57 AM	#285
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1199936 VARSITY	Okay, so this system makes a lot of sense. At the end of the year, you note the number of NFL starts and NFL games the player appeared in (2nd and 3rd numbers after each player). In the first number, you then define how many starts they made for you. If you don't have enough starts at a position, you can start a player up to the number of games they appeared in. But you can't start using non-starts unless you've used up all of your starts at that position. So for example if you have the following players at a position: Player A: 10 starts, 10 games Player B: 3 starts, 16 games Player C: 0 starts, 5 games Player D: 0 starts, 2 games You have to use the 13 starts first, and then you can use anyone else for the next 3 as long as you aren't using them for more games than they appeared in. So in the above example, you know you have 10 starts for Player A, and you can't use him any more 3 starts for Player B, and you can give him up to 13 more starts. (You only need 3, but you could also use him at another position if he can keep you from using a scrub there.) 0 starts for Player C, and you can use him for up to 5 more starts. 0 starts for Player D, and you can give him 2 starts but no more. You would only use a scrub if you didn't have enough game appearances to cover the starting spots. For example if you had Player A: 6 starts, 6 games Player B: 3 starts, 6 games Player C: 0 starts, 1 game Player D: 0 starts, 1 game You'd have all players making their maximum starts (6, 6, 1, 1) and you'd have to use a scrub for the last two games, or give the starts to someone else at another position. The bottom line rules are this: No player can start more games than he appeared in. You have to use all your starts at a position before you can start counting appearances as starts. Using the codes in the posts below, the rightmost number is the number of games appeared, so you can never start the player more than that number. Sound good? This is easy to work with and only requires looking up the games started and games played at the end of the season. Not that much work. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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