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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:02 PM

It's clear now. Huard got beat to hell. The Chiefs aren't going to let Brodie get beat to hell. They will do everything in their power to prevent it.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefanatic

For all you that are bashing DV I remember a time when the Chiefs were 13-0 and the East and West cost media were talking about us going 16-0.

That never happened.

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

I don't, at least not until what Croyle can do without having one of his hands tied to Herm's balls.

I will concur until that the offesive line is fixed and we can run the ball to open it up more for Brodie. Until then I don't think we will see what Brodie can truely do. Well that and get rid of Solari and Curl.

FAX · 11-20-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

The part I don't understand is that Herm seems to be of the opinion that the offense under Croyle sucks. Based on what exactly?

I think he would say, film study. Clearly, our line sucks and Brodie isn't going to change that directly.

However, the argument could be made that a QB who can get the ball out faster, deeper, and with greater velocity and who gives us the threat of a rollout and, generally, more mobility under center would translate into improved line play.

Herm won't see it that way, though. Right now, it sounds like he's found a comfortable excuse that he's not going to put Brodie at risk. That doesn't explain the playcalling during Downfield's tenure, though. And, I promise you this ... Brodie doesn't want Herm to protect him from jack.

FAX

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

It's clear now. Huard got beat to hell. The Chiefs aren't going to let Brodie get beat to hell. They will do everything in their power to prevent it.

You are painting funny pictures.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:05 PM

Herm might be the most stubborn man alive.

FAX · 11-20-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

It's clear now. Huard got beat to hell. The Chiefs aren't going to let Brodie get beat to hell. They will do everything in their power to prevent it.

Maybe.

FAX

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

You are painting funny pictures.

Am I? That's how I interpret Herm's comments.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

That doesn't explain the playcalling during Downfield's tenure, though.

The playcalling CHANGED in Indianapolis. We were MORE conservative than usual.

I've been trying to tell everyone this for two days now. I wrote about it.

They are coddling Brodie. They didn't coddle Huard.

Sure-Oz · 11-20-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

The playcalling CHANGED in Indianapolis. We were MORE conservative than usual.

I've been trying to tell everyone this for two days now. I wrote about it.

They are coddling Brodie. They didn't coddle Huard.

Will they coddle him the rest of the season or open up the playbook sunday and hope we get 13 points this time?

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Will they coddle him the rest of the season or open up the playbook sunday and hope we get 13 points this time?

Why would they change?

They don't want Brodie to get beat up.

It's obvious now. We're gonna run 30 times a game from here on out. No sense in letting Brodie throw too much!

This is great column fodder. Priest is the new Pinata!!!

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Am I? That's how I interpret Herm's comments.

Bingo! That is exactly what I was doing, interpretting the picture the way I see it. That is all any of us can do, because we only have the information they give us, or is leaked. Connecting the dots and drawing your own conclusion is half the fun and all we can do. For what it is worth, I tend to agree with you on this. However, I am extremely skeptical of Herm for the reasons already cited.

**Buzz** · 11-20-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

That never happened.

Thanks for the correction... Started 9-0 and ended 13-3 I believe. I still don't see Herm ever getting close to that type of record.

RedThat · 11-20-2007, 01:12 PM

I find it amazing how a QB change reveals what the real problem on offense is?

I just remember last week, or a couple of weeks ago how many were bashing Huard. Croyle showed us he is better then Huard, and has upside, but just look how that shows and reveals who the real problem is?

Amazing.

Zouk · 11-20-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Why would they change?

They don't want Brodie to get beat up.

It's obvious now. We're gonna run 30 times a game from here on out. No sense in letting Brodie throw too much!

This is great column fodder. Priest is the new Pinata!!!

I actually think he's saying this today to confuse Oakland. I predict we see significantly more downfield passing with Croyle at home. We'll see.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I find it amazing how a QB change reveals what the real problem on offense is? I just remember last week, or a couple of weeks ago how many were bashing Huard. Croyle showed us he is better then Huard, and has upside, but just look how that shows and reveals who the real problem is? Amazing.
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