Star Wars Episode VIII SPOILERS thread

[DaneMcCloud]

For all things Episode VIII related info including spoilers.

The release date is now December 15, 2017.

The Official Synopsis from Star Wars.com

“In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017.”









New footage in Japanese Trailer

[keg in kc]

Unrelated to the new movies but cool....

[DaneMcCloud]

Star Wars Celebration Artwork

[Bowser]

So I watched VII again this weekend. I liked it still. Total and complete ripoff of IV, but I still enjoyed.

We had a conversation a while back about the First Order and how they came to be in possession of Starkiller Base. I had thrown out the idea that Palpatine had a research base out beyond the Outer Rim with who knows what floating around out there, and the fledgling First Order had found and raided it. Well, during his speech before they fired the weapon and destroyed most of the system, General Hux specifically said "...this base YOU Have built...", pretty much squashing my theory.

So we are to believe that in thirty years Starkiller Base was constructed and operated. I have a problem with that, especially considering it was roughly ten times the size of the Death Star. I don't know why it bugs me, but it does. Pretty small on the list of things that should have bugged me from that film, but I just can't get around that one little detail. Am I just being over critical, or is there a reason this is bugging me (like possibly some connection to VIII and IX?)?

(And I didn't want to bump the VII thread, so I just threw this in here)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So I watched VII again this weekend. I liked it still. Total and complete ripoff of IV, but I still enjoyed.

We had a conversation a while back about the First Order and how they came to be in possession of Starkiller Base. I had thrown out the idea that Palpatine had a research base out beyond the Outer Rim with who knows what floating around out there, and the fledgling First Order had found and raided it. Well, during his speech before they fired the weapon and destroyed most of the system, General Hux specifically said "...this base YOU Have built...", pretty much squashing my theory.

So we are to believe that in thirty years Starkiller Base was constructed and operated. I have a problem with that, especially considering it was roughly ten times the size of the Death Star. I don't know why it bugs me, but it does. Pretty small on the list of things that should have bugged me from that film, but I just can't get around that one little detail. Am I just being over critical, or is there a reason this is bugging me (like possibly some connection to VIII and IX?)?

(And I didn't want to bump the VII thread, so I just threw this in here)

They've purposefully left a lot unanswered. The Bloodline book fleshes a few things out but doesn't give away any major secrets.

In any event, the new good guys have a classic SW vibe to them but the First Order just seems disjointed to me. IMO, it's going to take a LOT of Luke Skywalker to really get this thing moving.

[DaneMcCloud]

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So we are to believe that in thirty years Starkiller Base was constructed and operated. I have a problem with that, especially considering it was roughly ten times the size of the Death Star. I don't know why it bugs me, but it does. Pretty small on the list of things that should have bugged me from that film, but I just can't get around that one little detail. Am I just being over critical, or is there a reason this is bugging me (like possibly some connection to VIII and IX?)?

(And I didn't want to bump the VII thread, so I just threw this in here)

[DaneMcCloud]

Also, Starkiller was built on an actual planet. It wasn't a stand alone space station so after it was designed, I doubt it took more than a few years to complete.

[Bowser]

Here is what made me say that -

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Also, Starkiller was built on an actual planet. It wasn't a stand alone space station so after it was designed, I doubt it took more than a few years to complete.

That makes sense, and certainly explains why it has breathable oxygen and an existing ecosystem.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That makes sense, and certainly explains why it has breathable oxygen and an existing ecosystem.

I would imagine that the construction of the base will be detailed in one of the novels.

[DaneMcCloud]

Alright, this rumor has been out there for a couple of weeks now and is gaining traction everywhere. Even though this is the Spoiler Thread, if true, this is REALLY a massive spoiler. It also ties back to the latest series of books and Luke Skywalker, in which Rian Johnson contributed to the story line.

Spoiler!

In the scene Luke tells Rey that the Jedi Council became “arrogant” and that they were hiding a “secret,” which led to their demise. The old Jedi master takes Rey’s hand and shows her a glimpse into the past. They see two children playing near a tree on an alien planet. The boy noticed that he had greater strength and intuition when he was closer to this tree. The girl noticed that the tree also made her brother increasingly angry. One day an argument breaks out between the children, and the boy kills the girl. The boy touches the tree and is “transformed,”. He kills his parents and leaves the planet. Meanwhile the girl is revealed to be alive, transformed by the tree as well, using her power to start the first Jedi Order.

The girl explains how The Force can be used for both good and evil. She tells her followers that one day she would return as either a boy or a girl, and that they should train this child. Luke tells Rey that the Jedi Order had been searching for The One (reincarnation of the original founder of the Jedi) for a millennia. When they found Anakin Skywalker and thought that he would bring balance to The Force, the Jedi were “deceived” and the Clone Wars were the result. The scene also shows Rey’s parents, and Luke is not the father. Luke tells her how she was identified as strong with The Force, and how she was supposed to begin her training, but never reached her destination for an unknown reason. In the scene Luke gives Rey a choice, and she has till sunset to make it.

Also, in other reports, the boy starts the Sith Order and the girl is the founder of the Jedi Order.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Alright, this rumor has been out there for a couple of weeks now and is gaining traction everywhere. Even though this is the Spoiler Thread, if true, this is REALLY a massive spoiler. It also ties back to the latest series of books and Luke Skywalker, in which Rian Johnson contributed to the story line.

Spoiler!

In the scene Luke tells Rey that the Jedi Council became “arrogant” and that they were hiding a “secret,” which led to their demise. The old Jedi master takes Rey’s hand and shows her a glimpse into the past. They see two children playing near a tree on an alien planet. The boy noticed that he had greater strength and intuition when he was closer to this tree. The girl noticed that the tree also made her brother increasingly angry. One day an argument breaks out between the children, and the boy kills the girl. The boy touches the tree and is “transformed,”. He kills his parents and leaves the planet. Meanwhile the girl is revealed to be alive, transformed by the tree as well, using her power to start the first Jedi Order.

The girl explains how The Force can be used for both good and evil. She tells her followers that one day she would return as either a boy or a girl, and that they should train this child. Luke tells Rey that the Jedi Order had been searching for The One (reincarnation of the original founder of the Jedi) for a millennia. When they found Anakin Skywalker and thought that he would bring balance to The Force, the Jedi were “deceived” and the Clone Wars were the result. The scene also shows Rey’s parents, and Luke is not the father. Luke tells her how she was identified as strong with The Force, and how she was supposed to begin her training, but never reached her destination for an unknown reason. In the scene Luke gives Rey a choice, and she has till sunset to make it.

Also, in other reports, the boy starts the Sith Order and the girl is the founder of the Jedi Order.

I'm REALLY not liking that. At all.

At this point, I'd rather have the "Rey is the granddaughter of Palpatine"-theory.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

I'm REALLY not liking that. At all.

At this point, I'd rather have the "Rey is the granddaughter of Palpatine"-theory.

It sounds like fan fiction to me but apparently the person that leaked has been reliable in the past.

Knowing that Luke sought out the first Jedi Temple makes this spoiler more plausible but personally, it's not important for me to know the origins of The Force. That was the cool thing about the OT was that we were led to believe that anyone could become a Jedi.

It also reminds me of the Clone Wars episode that featured The Father, The Sister and The Brother, which makes it even more odd.

Also, too much of this "Chosen One" nonsense makes it feel like The Matrix, which is unnecessary and unwanted, IMO.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

I'm REALLY not liking that. At all.

At this point, I'd rather have the "Rey is the granddaughter of Palpatine"-theory.

What makes most sense to me is that she's a Kenobi. Otherwise, why did she hear Obi Wan's voice in the ForceBack? Ewan and Alec Guiness?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What makes most sense to me is that she's a Kenobi. Otherwise, why did she hear Obi Wan's voice in the ForceBack? Ewan and Alec Guiness?

I would prefer the Kenobi angle, and it would make some sense if Obi Wan abandoned the celibacy-thing while on Tatooine.

[Red Brooklyn]

My own personal preference based on rumors I've seen (I didn't read Dane's Spoiler above):

1. Her parents are people we haven't met yet; are not recurring characters in the SW universe so far.

2. She's a Kenobi

3. She's the Emperor's granddaughter

4. She's a Skywalker

5. She's Anakin reincarnated (fart noise)

6. She's a Han & Leia's kid.