Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling

[Bowser]

I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place.

Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off.

Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason?

Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Whoever the **** called the play, Nagy or Andy, didn't call this. Mahomes changed the play and the DB recognized the signal when he did it.

Andy/Nagy shouldn't be blamed on this one IMO

I refuse to believe Mahomes would audible to a fade to Skyy ****ing Moore even harder than I refuse to believe Andy called it.

I just can't believe someone called it for any reason, I guess.

[tk13]

No I posted it over in the gameday thread. Maybe I should have posted it here instead. But the Packers DB said Mahomes made a call at the line and they knew exactly what the play was from watching tape this week.

[Rainbarrel]

I don't think knocking a receiver off his known route falls under the mark of queensbury rules. How woeful

[Bump]

I don't care about the play calling. It's hard to gauge how good or bad it is when you don't have enough playmakers at skill positions, mainly WR. We could use another back too. Pacheco can't play all of the snaps, especially the way he runs.

[BigRedChief]

Watson got targeted 10 times. He dropped 3 balls. Rice got targeted 3 times. That’s not going to work.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Watson got targeted 10 times. He dropped 3 balls. Rice got targeted 3 times. That’s not going to work.

You're a couple of weeks behind BRC.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I refuse to believe Andy would call a fade pattern to Skyy ****ing Moore.

I’ve watched this again and now I’m more of the opinion that this is way more on skyy than it is mahomes. The DB is tracking skyy, not mahomes. Skyy slowing down sells to the db that it’s coming back shoulder. Either the DB gets caught flat footed and doesn’t pick it off or skyy jumps up and grabs a 50/50 ball. It may not have been a high % pass but I don’t think it gets picked if skyy just does his damn job

[Eleazar]

We scored 31 on the Raiders. 31 on the Chargers. 41 on the Bears. Only 3 times have we reached 30 this year.

The defender recognizing the play and the adjustment from film is a good job by him. That kind of thing happens in the NFL and you have to credit him for it.

But when you're in the mode we're in, where the offense is only generating about 20 points per game, every mistake or turnover means a lot more.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

We scored 31 on the Raiders. 31 on the Chargers. 41 on the Bears. Only 3 times have we reached 30 this year.

The defender recognizing the play and the adjustment from film is a good job by him. That kind of thing happens in the NFL and you have to credit him for it.

But when you're in the mode we're in, where the offense is only generating about 20 points per game, every mistake or turnover means a lot more.

Even if he recognized the adjustment, would it have mattered if skyy finishes his route? I don’t know that it did. Defender seemed prepared to defend it vertically not for mahomes to put it on sky shoulder. Maybe I’m misreading it, but that’s what I see

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Even if he recognized the adjustment, would it have mattered if skyy finishes his route? I don’t know that it did. Defender seemed prepared to defend it vertically not for mahomes to put it on sky shoulder. Maybe I’m misreading it, but that’s what I see

I agree, and I wasn't defending Moore. He has a history of being casual about routes and not being where he is supposed to be.

I only meant to point out that when we scored 30 every week we regularly overcame things like this. When we're struggling to score 20, every mistake gets amplified.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

I agree, and I wasn't defending Moore. He has a history of being casual about routes and not being where he is supposed to be.

I only meant to point out that when we scored 30 every week we regularly overcame things like this. When we're struggling to score 20, every mistake gets amplified.

Yup, not challenging what you said. I agree with it. I was just spitballing about the defenders comments. It’s interesting that he read it all along, but I kind of feel like even if he did, it wouldn’t have mattered if skyy finishes his route

[Pinchshot]

I agree with the OP and sadly predicted a poor year in the preseason. It started with Bienemy and JuJu leaving, followed by Chris Jones' holdout.

But it's bigger than that. It's simply an eye of the Tiger thing to me. 2 rings in and these guys are getting spoiled. Makes it harder to stay motivated once fat and happy. This is why repeating is just so hard.

One last thing - too many commercials Pat. Focus.

[RunKC]

Nagy found that awesome formation on the TD to Rice and showed it to Andy. Totally ****ed Belichick in the ass with it bc there's no way he could have prepared for a play that hasn't been ran since the 1940's

Kansas City’s offensive coordinator, Matt Nagy, is a football-history nerd, and he brings ancient plays to coach Andy Reid sometimes. Penn called this play in a game in the forties against Columbia. Nagy saw the grainy footage of it and fell in love. In this particular game, against the defensively astute Patriots, Kansas City was smitten with “Heisman” because the offense was struggling mightily, because even the great Bill Belichick couldn’t have his defense instantly stymie a play it couldn’t even imagine, and because KC had a college option quarterback, Jerick McKinnon, just dying to throw the first touchdown pass of his eight-year NFL career.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ing?cid=fmiatw

[Bowser]

We're looking REAL Chicago Bears circa 2020 on offense right now. Yes, our pass catchers suck Yak ass right now (including Kelce), but this up and down the line of scrimmage with the passes shit in Trubisky-esque.

[Rainbarrel]

Total new offense needed has less to do with Nagy & more about there being enough film on this offense to build a border wall