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Old 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM  
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:17 PM   #2806
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Genuinely starting to get the feel that Sutton was not the problem. At the very least the man knew how to garner SOME pressure while having absolute dick for DBs. He even fielded one of the better defenses in the NFL when he first got here.

This defense is a complete mess. And although it doesn't look systemic, Spags OK'd Veach to grab these jerk offs so both of them get to fall on the sword for this.

There was already an enormous lack of talent on defense and it just looks like we managed to get even less talented. Like what the ****?
Sutton absolutely was part of the problem. Those coverages he threw out vs New England alone deserved to get him fired
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:33 PM   #2807
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Sutton absolutely was part of the problem. Those coverages he threw out vs New England alone deserved to get him fired
The funny thing about that game is if Dee Ford doesn't line up off sides, Bob Sutton looks like a good DC who turned a bad defense around when in mattered most in the post season. We probably would have kept him and just tried to give him some better players to coach.

That one play changed so much.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:42 PM   #2808
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The funny thing about that game is if Dee Ford doesn't line up off sides, Bob Sutton looks like a good DC who turned a bad defense around when in mattered most in the post season. We probably would have kept him and just tried to give him some better players to coach.

That one play changed so much.
We did have 48 sacks last year. And countless other ones that didn't count because of DPI.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:44 PM   #2809
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The funny thing about that game is if Dee Ford doesn't line up off sides, Bob Sutton looks like a good DC who turned a bad defense around when in mattered most in the post season. We probably would have kept him and just tried to give him some better players to coach.

That one play changed so much.
Reactionary response creating revisionist history. What a steaming pile of shit.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:53 PM   #2810
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The funny thing about that game is if Dee Ford doesn't line up off sides, Bob Sutton looks like a good DC who turned a bad defense around when in mattered most in the post season. We probably would have kept him and just tried to give him some better players to coach.

That one play changed so much.
Lol no. It changed the outcome of our season, but it didn’t change the narrative on Sutton. It did for Brady though.

If we won, it wasn’t because Sutton “turned a bad defense around”. They were still bad, the offense was just that much better.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:54 PM   #2811
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Reactionary response creating revisionist history. What a steaming pile of shit.
Uh, if Dee Ford lines up right we win the game 28-24. Tom Brady finishes the game with 263 yards, 1 touchdown and 3 interceptions.

Are you going to lie and say that wouldn't have been a great defensive game and Sutton wouldn't have been credited for that?
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Lol no. It changed the outcome of our season, but it didn’t change the narrative on Sutton. It did for Brady though.

If we won, it wasn’t because Sutton “turned a bad defense around”. They were still bad, the offense was just that much better.
If Dee Ford lines up onsides Sutton's defense would have had two good to great performances in the playoffs. Depending on what happened in the Superbowl, chances are that would have led to the chiefs giving him at least one more year to fix the defense.
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:59 PM   #2813
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So after Spags gets fired who’s the next DC?
Spags ain't getting fired. But Spags is diplomatically and quietly telling Andy "I can't even make lemonade out of these lemon type players"; I assure you. "We have very little talent Andy". "I can't walk on water !!
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I see little to no difference between Sutton and Spags.
D sucked then...it sucks now.

Chiefs have better corners this year...supposedly.
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I see little to no difference between Sutton and Spags.
D sucked then...it sucks now.

Chiefs have better corners this year...supposedly.
But not the pass rush, so the suckness is a wash.
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It’s basically the same defense but in different ways.

Pass rush is worse but Safety is much better.
LB is a little better
Corner is slightly better
Run defense is the same
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