Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Balto

I still don’t agree and believe he would be the top LT taken if not for his knee. Regardless of who he played he still showed dominance and the traits a top LT would have.

Yes. Simmons has great traits. The anti Simmons crowd is right about the risk though. I’ll be curious to watch how this plays out. I’m more desperate than they are for a developmental tackle and even an emergency tackle if Moore is injured. I’m concerned that Moore is not very good. Did anyone watch Moore against top competition? In the film I watched, he looked ok, not a superior athlete and limited reach. But he seemed like he had good instincts and technique. I’d still like to have some competition at LT. Simmons traits and his projection if healthy is superior to both Kingsley and Wanya. I agree that the sample size this year is limited and against weaker competition. Simmons traits are elite and he has improved every year. It’s a risky move and his eval will be super important. I hope the docs know what they are doing.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Balto

I guess another question I have is for the people who almost with certainty claim that there is no way Simmons can heal and play at the same level prior to his injury…..Then why the hell would Veach even have him in for a look? Doesn’t this mean that it’s at least possible he can? I mean OT is still a huge need and can’t be a high draft pick that is a bust. Plus they have seen a current OT deal with the same injury in Niang……BUT they ae still bringing in Simmons for a look? Shouldn’t this tell us desk GMs that there is a lot more to Simmons and the talent he has AND the confidence in him being able to play at his previous level/skills? Otherwise why bother?

Niang had a different injury. It was a hip thing.

*OH you mean the one in the NFL that basically ended his career. Yeah, I'm not sure that works for your argument.

Look, I get that you really want Simmons to be the answer, and we all want an answer, but this is nowhere near a sure bet.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Balto

I guess another question I have is for the people who almost with certainty claim that there is no way Simmons can heal and play at the same level prior to his injury…..Then why the hell would Veach even have him in for a look? Doesn’t this mean that it’s at least possible he can? I mean OT is still a huge need and can’t be a high draft pick that is a bust. Plus they have seen a current OT deal with the same injury in Niang……BUT they ae still bringing in Simmons for a look? Shouldn’t this tell us desk GMs that there is a lot more to Simmons and the talent he has AND the confidence in him being able to play at his previous level/skills? Otherwise why bother?

You’re aware that teams use their top 30 visits to sow disinformation sometimes, right?

Bring in guys for visits they don’t really want, don’t bring in guys for visits they do really want?

Sometimes a top 30 visit is gamesmanship.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Not sure if this was posted above, but Brian Baldinger basically came out and said:

a) He was surprised that the Chiefs gave up on Sumaitaia after 2 games; and

b) He was surprised at the signing of Jaylon Moore to protect Mahomes' blindside. He wasn't very good against elite pass rushers.

Chiefs need a LT in the draft bad.

.@Chiefs have they solved the left side of the offensive line issues? We will know in the opening month of September. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/sYxJpQ4F3d

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) April 9, 2025

The Chiefs don't NEED a left tackle in the draft, especially if it means taking an inferior player just because he plays that position. This isn't Madden and good teams don't draft like that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Balto

I guess another question I have is for the people who almost with certainty claim that there is no way Simmons can heal and play at the same level prior to his injury…..Then why the hell would Veach even have him in for a look? Doesn’t this mean that it’s at least possible he can? I mean OT is still a huge need and can’t be a high draft pick that is a bust. Plus they have seen a current OT deal with the same injury in Niang……BUT they ae still bringing in Simmons for a look? Shouldn’t this tell us desk GMs that there is a lot more to Simmons and the talent he has AND the confidence in him being able to play at his previous level/skills? Otherwise why bother?

They bring in guys every year that they don't plan on drafting. It's called gamesmanship.

[kccrow]

1) I disagree 10-fold with DJ on whether or not Paris Johnson Jr is a good LT. He is, in my opinion, in the top half of LTs in the league and ascending. He played year one at RT and last year at LT. He's going to be really ****ing good.

2) I can also tell you, as an Ohio State fan, that Josh Simmons is nowhere near as good as a college LT as Paris Johnson Jr was. It's not even in the same ballpark. Simmons is solid and a top-20 or so player, but he's not a top-10 pick in any draft.

3) I have said before, and will reiterate, that I would not touch Simmons before pick 63. Sure, do your diligence and figure out what you can, but you won't really know anything about whether or not he'll make it until he puts the pads on and has to drive other 300+ pound men on that leg repeatedly. I don't trust how much testing they can subject him to right now versus that actual on-field evaluation.

Given that it's a tendon, there is blood flow, and there is no doubt the injury is fully healed at this point. He isn't going to fail from a purely "medical" perspective. The question is with physiology. Can he perform a full knee extension with the same amount of power he did before and without it causing recurring issues of swelling and tendinitis?

This is about as bad of an injury as any football player can sustain, and offensive line is one of the absolute worst positions to sustain it at. The data is HORRENDOUS when it comes to this, and I've posted a study on it in the draft forum. He is, without a doubt, an absolute shot in the dark and I just cannot bring myself to champion that in round 1.

Plenty of other teams are also checking him out right now. That doesn't mean any of them are comfortable with him in round 1, and it doesn't mean the Chiefs are. Hell, the Chiefs burn most of their top-30 visits on UDFAs. If they draft one from that crop, that's about max, but they usually bring in a couple UDFAs from it. I wouldn't read much into that.

[kcbubb]

Are yall completing each others sentences now?

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Sometimes a top 30 visit is gamesmanship.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They bring in guys every year that they don't plan on drafting. It's called gamesmanship.

[kcbubb]

Nice post crow. You’ve partially won me over. In what ways is Paris that much better than Simmons? I’m curious. Because it can’t athletic ability?

Originally Posted by kccrow

1) I disagree 10-fold with DJ on whether or not Paris Johnson Jr is a good LT. He is, in my opinion, in the top half of LTs in the league and ascending. He played year one at RT and last year at LT. He's going to be really ****ing good.

2) I can also tell you, as an Ohio State fan, that Josh Simmons is nowhere near as good as a college LT as Paris Johnson Jr was. It's not even in the same ballpark. Simmons is solid and a top-20 or so player, but he's not a top-10 pick in any draft.

3) I have said before, and will reiterate, that I would not touch Simmons before pick 63. Sure, do your diligence and figure out what you can, but you won't really know anything about whether or not he'll make it until he puts the pads on and has to drive other 300+ pound men on that leg repeatedly. I don't trust how much testing they can subject him to right now versus that actual on-field evaluation.

Given that it's a tendon, there is blood flow, and there is no doubt the injury is fully healed at this point. He isn't going to fail from a purely "medical" perspective. The question is with physiology. Can he perform a full knee extension with the same amount of power he did before and without it causing recurring issues of swelling and tendinitis?

This is about as bad of an injury as any football player can sustain, and offensive line is one of the absolute worst positions to sustain it at. The data is HORRENDOUS when it comes to this, and I've posted a study on it in the draft forum. He is, without a doubt, an absolute shot in the dark and I just cannot bring myself to champion that in round 1.

Plenty of other teams are also checking him out right now. That doesn't mean any of them are comfortable with him in round 1, and it doesn't mean the Chiefs are. Hell, the Chiefs burn most of their top-30 visits on UDFAs. If they draft one from that crop, that's about max, but they usually bring in a couple UDFAs from it. I wouldn't read much into that.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The Chiefs don't NEED a left tackle in the draft, especially if it means taking an inferior player just because he plays that position. This isn't Madden and good teams don't draft like that.

I genuinely wonder who as a LT could fall to 31 that is significantly better or has more upside than Kingsley.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I agree with Baldy that it's too soon to give up on Kingsley. I understand them deciding that they needed to remove him after two games, as they're trying to win a Super Bowl and it became apparent that he was going to be a liability. I don't think that means they've given up entirely, just that he was going to need some time. I think playing him at G was just getting him some game reps and get him used to the speed and physicality of the NFL without putting him out on the island.

I see no reason to give up on what was a project from day one at this time.

Moore was pretty good in a small sample size. His deal is two years, and you could get out as early as one if you want. You can afford that if Kingsley or another draft pick beats him out.

Putting Kingsley at LG this year is telling everyone, he will not be a LT for the Chiefs. That sucks but evidently our coaching staff and Reid think he will be a starting guard right now. He has a successful year there, that’s his position.

[Chiefs 58]

Is there any solid info on Kingsley playing left guard besides the fact he played in the game against Denver

[TRR]

Originally Posted by Chiefs 58

Is there any solid info on Kingsley playing left guard besides the fact he played in the game against Denver

I know Veach has mentioned it a few times, and quoted Andy Heck as saying he feels really good about the move for Kingsley to LG.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Nice post crow. You’ve partially won me over. In what ways is Paris that much better than Simmons? I’m curious. Because it can’t athletic ability?

Paris has elite athleticism, is much longer, was an Academic All-American, and was a hard worker and leader of that team.

He needed strength work (most college tackles need it, I don't know why people continue to be surprised by that) and hand placement work. He had the acumen and work ethic to do it.

Simmons is not as athletic, long, or smart, and they are about even from a technique and strength standpoint. I haven't heard the same work ethic from Simmons.

Johnson was a top 10 pick for a reason. He's about the closest things to Pace we've ever had in terms of size and athleticism but Pace was just stronger. I don't think he'll ever be Pace but he at least has a chance.


Side note...
Man that 1995 & 1996 Ohio State roster... It was just stacked. Not winning a National Championship burns... All these guys made the NFL and I'm sure I missed a couple at first glance.

DE Mike Vrabel
OT Orlando Pace
TE Ricky Dudley
WR Terry Glenn
WR David Boston
RB Eddie George
RB Nick Goings
S Rob Kelly
S Damon Moore
CB Antoine Winfield
CB Shawn Springs
CB Central McClellion
CB Ahmed Plummer
CB Ty Howard
QB Bobby Hoying
QB Joe Germaine
LB Greg Bellisari
P Brent Bartholomew
FB Nicky Sualua
RB Joe Montgomery
DT Winfield Garnett
WR Jimmy Redmond

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Chiefs 58

Is there any solid info on Kingsley playing left guard besides the fact he played in the game against Denver

It isn't rocket surgery. Signing Jaylon Moore, using 10+ top 30 visits on OT alone, and Veach outright saying they like moving him to inside.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I genuinely wonder who as a LT could fall to 31 that is significantly better or has more upside than Kingsley.

Imo, Kingsley has zero upside at LT. That ship has sailed. In KC, He'll make it at Guard or nowhere.