Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[Chiefnj2]

Conerly is very similar in ranking as to what Kingsley was last year. Some people have Ersery as a better prospect.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He did.

But he wasn't standout - just solid. Fringe top 50 sort of pick - not seen as any sort of elite OT prospect until he started beating on rummies to start the season.

Guys that have fallen behind him like Belton and Millum all started the 2024 season ahead of him. Even guys like Emery Jones and the AZ kid whose name I can't spell. They were considered better prospects than Simmons until Simmons beat the brakes off...Akron.

His 1st round grade right now from anyone that put him there is based on nothing more than projecting what he did against bad competition and presuming it would've translated had he not gotten hurt.

It's folly coming and going, really.

Just curious on if he matched up aginst Green from Marshall or if Green was on the other edge? Green is not really a rummie.

Now as far as the health issue? That's another matter.

[htismaqe]

I will say it again - Simmons won't fail any medical tests. He's "healed". What nobody knows is whether or not he will still be a good player and they won't know until he plays. Again, if he drops, take him if that's what they think they need. Hopefully they have better options.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So, If this is common knowledge and Veach selects him, what does that mean? Our Doctors have a different opinion? We are desperate for a LT? etc.

It means they're comfortable making that projection.

Or that they're willing to do so in the absence of a better option.

[TRR]

Both Conerly and Simmons will need a redshirt year for different reasons. Conerly needs to get stronger, and Simmons won’t even be a year into his recovery by the time the season starts. Not ideal for a first round pick. I also read an article where a Pro Scout referred to Simmons as “kind of a fuck” which I didn’t love.

[SHOWTIME]

Not sure if this was posted above, but Brian Baldinger basically came out and said:

a) He was surprised that the Chiefs gave up on Sumaitaia after 2 games; and

b) He was surprised at the signing of Jaylon Moore to protect Mahomes' blindside. He wasn't very good against elite pass rushers.

Chiefs need a LT in the draft bad.

.@Chiefs have they solved the left side of the offensive line issues? We will know in the opening month of September. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/sYxJpQ4F3d

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) April 9, 2025

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Balto

I don't agree and believe that Simmons would have actually been the top LT of this draft. Go look at how he was doing before getting injured. He was ELITE.

He MIGHT have been. Perhaps even PROBABLY.

What you're missing is:

1) the history of players with this injury returning at their prior ability level is terrible, and

2) It's not a good LT draft. So being the best of a mediocre group doesn't make him a great prospect, even IF he was a lock to return to his previous ability level. Which, as we've covered, he is NOT.

There is no slam dunk LT at all in this draft, and Simmons is a huge risk. I would say that Conerly, Ersery, or maybe even Grant are better bets to be starting level LT's. And those aren't guarantees by any stretch. Most likely not.

[New World Order]

I want to draft the next...

Joe Thomas

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Not sure if this was posted above, but Brian Baldinger basically came out and said:

a) He was surprised that the Chiefs gave up on Sumaitaia after 2 games; and

b) He was surprised at the signing of Jaylon Moore to protect Mahomes' blindside. He wasn't very good against elite pass rushers.

Chiefs need a LT in the draft bad.

.@Chiefs have they solved the left side of the offensive line issues? We will know in the opening month of September. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/sYxJpQ4F3d

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) April 9, 2025

"He wasnt very good against elite pass rushers"

This feels like a baseless claim. Not much bad tape at all from him this year, regardless of who he was going up against, the problem is simply that it's a small sample size.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by staylor26

"He wasnt very good against elite pass rushers"

This feels like a baseless claim. Not much bad tape at all from him this year, regardless of who he was going up against, the problem is simply that it's a small sample size.

I agree with Baldy that it's too soon to give up on Kingsley. I understand them deciding that they needed to remove him after two games, as they're trying to win a Super Bowl and it became apparent that he was going to be a liability. I don't think that means they've given up entirely, just that he was going to need some time. I think playing him at G was just getting him some game reps and get him used to the speed and physicality of the NFL without putting him out on the island.

I see no reason to give up on what was a project from day one at this time.

Moore was pretty good in a small sample size. His deal is two years, and you could get out as early as one if you want. You can afford that if Kingsley or another draft pick beats him out.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I agree with Baldy that it's too soon to give up on Kingsley. I understand them deciding that they needed to remove him after two games, as they're trying to win a Super Bowl and it became apparent that he was going to be a liability. I don't think that means they've given up entirely, just that he was going to need some time. I think playing him at G was just getting him some game reps and get him used to the speed and physicality of the NFL without putting him out on the island.

I see no reason to give up on what was a project from day one at this time.

Moore was pretty good in a small sample size. His deal is two years, and you could get out as early as one if you want. You can afford that if Kingsley or another draft pick beats him out.

I agree it's just that all indications are that they've moved on from him as the LTOTF, and they made that decision so quickly and so final that I'm just going to assume there's a good reason why.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I agree it's just that all indications are that they've moved on from him as the LTOTF, and they made that decision so quickly and so final that I'm just going to assume there's a good reason why.

Because his lateral footwork ****ing sucks. Ain't much of a mystery, and that's mitigated quite a bit playing inside.

[Sassy Squatch]

Go back and watch Bonitto make him his bitch over and over and over, and it becomes very clear why Reid has apparently thrown his hands up and moved him inside. Sucks, because he really should've gotten at the very least a redshirt season given how raw he was but that toothpaste is out of the tube now. Just hope he's a much better LG than LT.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He played Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, a god-awful Michigan State team and Iowa - the same forgettable lunchpail Iowa they always are.

Murderer's freakin' row, right there.

Then he got hurt against Oregon (after first not playing very well) in a game they lost.

THAT'S your amazing tape that's supposed to prove that this guy was going to be the best OT in the class?

Nah -- it isn't.

You read it somewhere. And now you're repeating it.

There is nothing resembling enough tape out there to say he'd have been the best LT in this class. It's nothing more than the mystery of the unknown. It's the draft season equivalent of "To an Athlete Dying Young".

Smart lad, to slip betimes away, from fields where glory does not stay...

There is not the volume or quality of competition to come to that conclusion. At ALL. The guy got hurt before that could be established so folks just up and projected a clean Big 10 season for him.

Meanwhile Kelvin Banks and Armand Membou, with better competition by FAR and a full season of reps, simply looked better than him. Conerly was on par and isn't hurt. Anthony Belton DOMINATED the same kind of competition that Simmons played before he got hurt.

I mean hell, the team got no worse at all without him. Donovan Jackson stepped in for Simmons after he got hurt and was almost as good against substantially better quality of competition. Why should I believe that Ohio State just happened to have a guy almost as good as the best LT in the country just bopping around at guard?

The kids a quality prospect. Maybe he gets back to 100% and is a coaches dream and eventually becomes a premier LT in the league.

But YOUR argument is complete nonsense that is wholly unsupportable by any record you can possibly produce.

I still don’t agree and believe he would be the top LT taken if not for his knee. Regardless of who he played he still showed dominance and the traits a top LT would have.

[Balto]

I guess another question I have is for the people who almost with certainty claim that there is no way Simmons can heal and play at the same level prior to his injury…..Then why the hell would Veach even have him in for a look? Doesn’t this mean that it’s at least possible he can? I mean OT is still a huge need and can’t be a high draft pick that is a bust. Plus they have seen a current OT deal with the same injury in Niang……BUT they ae still bringing in Simmons for a look? Shouldn’t this tell us desk GMs that there is a lot more to Simmons and the talent he has AND the confidence in him being able to play at his previous level/skills? Otherwise why bother?