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Old 03-13-2022, 10:55 AM  
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:09 PM   #2716
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But Pat's options need to include a guy who can reliably play the X.

I see no indication that Crowder can.

MVS or Crowder at the same cost, I'm taking MVS.

I just can't get past what we saw from Hardman when we started using him correctly. Man he was a weapon.

But 'correctly' meant not as an X. So if you bring in Crowder, you're really layering Hardman. And in so doing, you're bringing in a less dynamic threat than Hardman and someone that would do less to undermine a Cover 2 (because Hardman on those drags is absolute murder on those).

Hardman is on the roster in pen as my Y receiver. So that just doesn't leave much room for Crowder.
What the board fails to acknowledge while MVS has questionable hands he has the speed to stretch a defense. I guess my question is what if any does that speed matter when we see the stupid 2 high?
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:11 PM   #2717
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He was before Devon Wylie but its understandable we all forgot 2012. I think even when Breaston was here he wasn't strictly a slot guy right? Atleast til mid 2011 he was an outside guy til Baldwin came back right?
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:15 PM   #2718
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But Pat's options need to include a guy who can reliably play the X.

I see no indication that Crowder can.

MVS or Crowder at the same cost, I'm taking MVS.

I just can't get past what we saw from Hardman when we started using him correctly. Man he was a weapon.

But 'correctly' meant not as an X. So if you bring in Crowder, you're really layering Hardman. And in so doing, you're bringing in a less dynamic threat than Hardman and someone that would do less to undermine a Cover 2 (because Hardman on those drags is absolute murder on those).

Hardman is on the roster in pen as my Y receiver. So that just doesn't leave much room for Crowder.
They need more than one receiver. In case you forgot, Andy doesn't like to run the ball.

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When you have a half billion $$$$ quarterback you sign those checks so he can get OTHERS out of their struggles.

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Old 03-17-2022, 10:17 PM   #2719
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:18 PM   #2720
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What the board fails to acknowledge while MVS has questionable hands he has the speed to stretch a defense. I guess my question is what if any does that speed matter when we see the stupid 2 high?
Speed gives you more than just running verts.

It lets you challenge everywhere on the field. ESPECIALLY when you have a QB with Pats arm talent. And most assuredly when you're running a WCO offense that thrives on using as much of the field as possible.

Think of a base Cover 2 - now tell me what the hell that coverage is supposed to do against a deep out?

Not a lot of teams can use that deep out route because few quarterbacks have the arm strength to challenge the far sideline from the near hash. And if they do have a QB that can do that, few teams have a guy like Hill that will force teams into that shell or a guy like Kelce that can keep them in the middle of the field.

Well the Chiefs have all that. So tell me how a 2-deep shell deals with that guy? Or a good post-corner route? Or as many would recognize it - WASP. You don't run it that deep, but you can take a 10 yard post and cut it out at 15 yards and catch that post-corner about 22 yards downfield. When that safety is starting 18 yards back and hitting his heels as soon as you snap the ball, he's ****ed.

Lord, even a 14 yard dig route - you'll split the safeties if you can make a speed cut and a fast receiver like MVS can.

Speed isn't just about verts. It's why I just don't give one single shit about a guy like Landry and really don't care much about JuJu. If you want to beat the cover 2, the answer is more speed to challenge more of the field. That 1/2 second you gain on the route by having someone who runs 2 strides quicker makes all the difference in the world.

Hardman can't make a speed cut, so he can't run those routes worth a damn. Pringle was demonstrating that he could, that's why he was getting those routes and why the Bears just gave him $6 million.

What we need is a guy that can. THAT'S how you beat the Cover 2. And a RB with the speed to challenge the corners or put the safeties in an impossible situation on a simple arrow route. Moreover, that's how you keep teams out of those Cover 3 looks that can create some headaches for those routes I discussed above (and Hardman on the drags and quick screens will do the same).

The answer isn't possession WRs. It's what we have, but more of it.
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:25 PM   #2721
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I don't like him very much and posted it earlier. He's missing a tooth, and I don't like that about him.
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:29 PM   #2723
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I don’t understand why we aren’t spending huge money on defensive free agents so we can just bitch about all of the defensive players we have spent huge money on like Justin Houston, Frank Clark, Eric Berry, Tyrann Matheiu and Chris Jones.

I just don’t get it guys. We need to continue the cycle guys or I will seriously be depressed.

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Speed gives you more than just running verts.

It lets you challenge everywhere on the field. ESPECIALLY when you have a QB with Pats arm talent. And most assuredly when you're running a WCO offense that thrives on using as much of the field as possible.

Think of a base Cover 2 - now tell me what the hell that coverage is supposed to do against a deep out?

Not a lot of teams can use that deep out route because few quarterbacks have the arm strength to challenge the far sideline from the near hash. And if they do have a QB that can do that, few teams have a guy like Hill that will force teams into that shell or a guy like Kelce that can keep them in the middle of the field.

Well the Chiefs have all that. So tell me how a 2-deep shell deals with that guy? Or a good post-corner route? Or as many would recognize it - WASP. You don't run it that deep, but you can take a 10 yard post and cut it out at 15 yards and catch that post-corner about 22 yards downfield. When that safety is starting 18 yards back and hitting his heels as soon as you snap the ball, he's ****ed.

Lord, even a 14 yard dig route - you'll split the safeties if you can make a speed cut and a fast receiver like MVS can.

Speed isn't just about verts. It's why I just don't give one single shit about a guy like Landry and really don't care much about JuJu. If you want to beat the cover 2, the answer is more speed to challenge more of the field. That 1/2 second you gain on the route by having someone who runs 2 strides quicker makes all the difference in the world.

Hardman can't make a speed cut, so he can't run those routes worth a damn. Pringle was demonstrating that he could, that's why he was getting those routes and why the Bears just gave him $6 million.

What we need is a guy that can. THAT'S how you beat the Cover 2. And a RB with the speed to challenge the corners or put the safeties in an impossible situation on a simple arrow route. Moreover, that's how you keep teams out of those Cover 3 looks that can create some headaches for those routes I discussed above (and Hardman on the drags and quick screens will do the same).

The answer isn't possession WRs. It's what we have, but more of it.
I like this. Lots of ifs with this scenario but you sign Smith he somehow generates double digit sacks or produces pressure, sign a bargain bin vet corner to provide depth, snatch a DT with your first. All of a sudden this team is sitting pretty damn good and you've sacrificed nada of your future really.
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I’ll pass on Gilmore. The Raiders are just bringing in old Patriot players at this point.
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