Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Delano

The experience with Niang will inform KC’s moves. You’re kind of discounting medical science, physical therapy and function testing if you honestly think they’re blind to what the probable outcome will be.

I don’t think they’re blind to it. I think some Chiefs fans and national media are being blind to it.

The sample size of NFL players who have had this injury is small, but the data we do have is AWFUL.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You don't, though.

You don't have to take this chance. This guy isn't an Orlando Pace-level talent who is falling because of questionable medicals.

He would only have been a top 10 talent in this draft because it's a weak LT draft.

It's an enormous risk. Try to find an NFL player who was the same after this injury. You won't. He doesn't exist.

Taking huge swings like this is one of the quickest ways to short-circuit your program.

I don't agree and believe that Simmons would have actually been the top LT of this draft. Go look at how he was doing before getting injured. He was ELITE.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Balto

I don't agree and believe that Simmons would have actually been the top LT of this draft. Go look at how he was doing before getting injured. He was ELITE.

He played Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, a god-awful Michigan State team and Iowa - the same forgettable lunchpail Iowa they always are.

Murderer's freakin' row, right there.

Then he got hurt against Oregon (after first not playing very well) in a game they lost.

THAT'S your amazing tape that's supposed to prove that this guy was going to be the best OT in the class?

Nah -- it isn't.

You read it somewhere. And now you're repeating it.

There is nothing resembling enough tape out there to say he'd have been the best LT in this class. It's nothing more than the mystery of the unknown. It's the draft season equivalent of "To an Athlete Dying Young".

Smart lad, to slip betimes away, from fields where glory does not stay...

There is not the volume or quality of competition to come to that conclusion. At ALL. The guy got hurt before that could be established so folks just up and projected a clean Big 10 season for him.

Meanwhile Kelvin Banks and Armand Membou, with better competition by FAR and a full season of reps, simply looked better than him. Conerly was on par and isn't hurt. Anthony Belton DOMINATED the same kind of competition that Simmons played before he got hurt.

I mean hell, the team got no worse at all without him. Donovan Jackson stepped in for Simmons after he got hurt and was almost as good against substantially better quality of competition. Why should I believe that Ohio State just happened to have a guy almost as good as the best LT in the country just bopping around at guard?

The kids a quality prospect. Maybe he gets back to 100% and is a coaches dream and eventually becomes a premier LT in the league.

But YOUR argument is complete nonsense that is wholly unsupportable by any record you can possibly produce.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I presume you mean Morris?

Moore's looked bad every time he's played RT.

Yes, a typo.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I want to draft the next Jonathan Ogden.

Maybe Willie Roaf.

Not in this draft.

[kcbubb]

I can agree with that. I don’t know much about the medical. I would hope that the medical staff could evaluate that but I don’t know.

Do yall like this guy, in the link below? He just happens to be on my side on this. I do think Simmons should be ready by the playoffs, which he acted like wasn’t a possibility. He could be useful year 1.

https://youtu.be/Zk7rIJfiDjk?si=9WED48fSVE6R2pKF

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Sure, the reward is big. The risk is higher.

Yes, they can evaluate the knee now and see if it's sound, examine the scans, see what things are looking like inside the knee, and things like that.

But they can't evaluate from workouts in shorts and t-shirts ... how much of his former level of ability and explosiveness has been regained. And the history on this is TERRIBLE. Historical and recent.

Jack Conklin tore his patellar tendon in 2021 and (1) hasn't been the same since, even after being cleared medically (2) has had a bunch of other lower-body injuries. Niang had this injury and hasn't ever looked remotely like the guy he was before it.

The outlook sucks.

If the Chiefs take him, I'll hold my breath and cross my fingers and hope it works out. But I sure as shit don't think it's a slam dunk, Einstein move. And I wouldn't take the risk.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I can agree with that. I don’t know much about the medical. I would hope that the medical staff could evaluate that but I don’t know.

Do yall like this guy, in the link below? He just happens to be on my side on this. I do think Simmons should be ready by the playoffs, which he acted like wasn’t a possibility. He could be useful year 1.

https://youtu.be/Zk7rIJfiDjk?si=9WED48fSVE6R2pKF

.. They aren't putting a rookie out there in a playoff gm. It would be a redshirt year for him...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I can agree with that. I don’t know much about the medical. I would hope that the medical staff could evaluate that but I don’t know.

Do yall like this guy, in the link below? He just happens to be on my side on this. I do think Simmons should be ready by the playoffs, which he acted like wasn’t a possibility. He could be useful year 1.

https://youtu.be/Zk7rIJfiDjk?si=9WED48fSVE6R2pKF

I don’t like that guy.

He is a dope. If he’s all in on Josh Simmons, it’s a great sign that Josh Simmons is a bad idea.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I can agree with that. I don’t know much about the medical. I would hope that the medical staff could evaluate that but I don’t know.

Do yall like this guy, in the link below? He just happens to be on my side on this. I do think Simmons should be ready by the playoffs, which he acted like wasn’t a possibility. He could be useful year 1.

https://youtu.be/Zk7rIJfiDjk?si=9WED48fSVE6R2pKF

You keep saying "The medical staff will evaluate Simmons" as if evaluating him is going to not only provide a sure answer to his future but also guarantee that it's positive. I know that's not what you mean, but you seem to be ignoring the definite (and I'd say likely) possibility that the Chiefs medical staff has some information on Simmons, and they're telling Veach to stay away.

[Snerd]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He played Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, a god-awful Michigan State team and Iowa - the same forgettable lunchpail Iowa they always are.

Murderer's freakin' row, right there.

Then he got hurt against Oregon (after first not playing very well) in a game they lost.

THAT'S your amazing tape that's supposed to prove that this guy was going to be the best OT in the class?

Nah -- it isn't.

You read it somewhere. And now you're repeating it.

There is nothing resembling enough tape out there to say he'd have been the best LT in this class. It's nothing more than the mystery of the unknown. It's the draft season equivalent of "To an Athlete Dying Young".

Smart lad, to slip betimes away, from fields where glory does not stay...

There is not the volume or quality of competition to come to that conclusion. At ALL. The guy got hurt before that could be established so folks just up and projected a clean Big 10 season for him.

Meanwhile Kelvin Banks and Armand Membou, with better competition by FAR and a full season of reps, simply looked better than him. Conerly was on par and isn't hurt. Anthony Belton DOMINATED the same kind of competition that Simmons played before he got hurt.

I mean hell, the team got no worse at all without him. Donovan Jackson stepped in for Simmons after he got hurt and was almost as good against substantially better quality of competition. Why should I believe that Ohio State just happened to have a guy almost as good as the best LT in the country just bopping around at guard?

The kids a quality prospect. Maybe he gets back to 100% and is a coaches dream and eventually becomes a premier LT in the league.

But YOUR argument is complete nonsense that is wholly unsupportable by any record you can possibly produce.

I thought Simmons also played LT for Ohio State the season before last? Regardless, I like Conerly better. His only real knock is strength, but he's only 21, so plenty of room to develop in that area.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don’t like that guy.

He is a dope. If he’s all in on Josh Simmons, it’s a great sign that Josh Simmons is a bad idea.

I hate his Vids on YouTube....just way too much fluff for my taste. And Chiefs Report by Chat Sports....that's another one that is annoying.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I can agree with that. I don’t know much about the medical. I would hope that the medical staff could evaluate that but I don’t know.

Do yall like this guy, in the link below? He just happens to be on my side on this. I do think Simmons should be ready by the playoffs, which he acted like wasn’t a possibility. He could be useful year 1.

https://youtu.be/Zk7rIJfiDjk?si=9WED48fSVE6R2pKF

I saw that video last night. I thought if the guy fell to us, we have to take him.

But, after hearing from DJ, Duncan and others, whose opinions I value on players alerted me to the history of patella injuries. That's a long odds to beat.

If he worked out, that would be fantastic. But, you are betting on those long odds playing out in your favor. AND giving up a chance to get a top starter at DT.

Imagine what Jones could disrupt if they had another threat at DT, not just a JAG.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Snerd

I thought Simmons also played LT for Ohio State the season before last? Regardless, I like Conerly better. His only real knock is strength, but he's only 21, so plenty of room ro develop in that area.

He did.

But he wasn't standout - just solid. Fringe top 50 sort of pick - not seen as any sort of elite OT prospect until he started beating on rummies to start the season.

Guys that have fallen behind him like Belton and Millum all started the 2024 season ahead of him. Even guys like Emery Jones and the AZ kid whose name I can't spell. They were considered better prospects than Simmons until Simmons beat the brakes off...Akron.

His 1st round grade right now from anyone that put him there is based on nothing more than projecting what he did against bad competition and presuming it would've translated had he not gotten hurt.

It's folly coming and going, really.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He did.

But he wasn't standout - just solid. Fringe top 50 sort of pick - not seen as any sort of elite OT prospect until he started beating on rummies to start the season.

Guys that have fallen behind him like Belton and Millum all started the 2024 season ahead of him. Even guys like Emery Jones and the AZ kid whose name I can't spell. They were considered better prospects than Simmons until Simmons beat the brakes off...Akron.

His 1st round grade right now from anyone that put him there is based on nothing more than projecting what he did against bad competition and presuming it would've translated had he not gotten hurt.

It's folly coming and going, really.

So, If this is common knowledge and Veach selects him, what does that mean? Our Doctors have a different opinion? We are desperate for a LT? etc.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So, If this is common knowledge and Veach selects him, what does that mean? Our Doctors have a different opinion? We are desperate for a LT? etc.

It would mean either our doctors are sure he’ll be the same, or they’re letting desperation guide them into a bad pick.