*****The Kareem Hunt Thread*****

[Dante84]

Updates to come.

[raybec 4]

The thing I like about this pick is that although Hunt is far from fast he's extremely hard to bring down. The NFL has completely gone away from good tackling fundamentals, and arm tackles and cutting have become the new standard (except in Seattle). This kid is going to rack up a ton of yards after contact. He just won't outrun many people to the goal line.

[BossChief]

Top 10 rushers in the NFL last year with similar speed to Hunt...

Jordan Howard ran a 4.59 at his proday
Jay Ajay ran a 4.57
Leveon Bell ran a 4.6
Lagarette Blount ran a 4.59
Devonte Freeman ran a 4.58

Basically half of the leagues top 10 rushers had Similar breakaway speed as Hunt.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Top 10 rushers in the NFL last year with similar speed to Hunt...

Jordan Howard ran a 4.59 at his proday
Jay Ajay ran a 4.57 - 4.89 y/a #7
Leveon Bell ran a 4.6 - 4.86 y/a # 8
Lagarette Blount ran a 4.59 - 3.88 y/a #30
Devonte Freeman ran a 4.58 - 4.75 #10

Basically half of the leagues top 10 rushers had Similar breakaway speed as Hunt.

Spencer Ware average 4.3 y/a last season for us, which ranked him at #16. If Hunt can manage what Ware did, plus hang on to the ball and stay healthy all year, I would consider that a success.

I would prefer Hunt play more like Freeman or Bell, and gain 500+ through the air as well.

[BossChief]

Ware averaged more than 5ypc the year before, though...when Alex wasn't scared and was attacking defenses with his legs more.

I can't wait to see this offense when Mahomes takes over.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Top 10 rushers in the NFL last year with similar speed to Hunt...

Jordan Howard ran a 4.59 at his proday
Jay Ajay ran a 4.57
Leveon Bell ran a 4.6
Lagarette Blount ran a 4.59
Devonte Freeman ran a 4.58

Basically half of the leagues top 10 rushers had Similar breakaway speed as Hunt.

And only Bell is a genuine breakaway threat.

Again - my issue isn't that Hunt is a bad player, it's that he's a redundant one. Howard and Ajay are seen as bangers (and let's pump the brakes a bit on Ajayi, he was being seen as a bust and was inactive in game 1 until he got force-fed the football; he's a volume producer). LaGarrette Blount is genuinely sloooooooow.

Spencer Ware and Kareem Hunt are just very similar players. Now if this is a sign that they intend to move on from Ware after this season, then so be it. I'd have no problem not giving Ware a long-term contract with his running style.

But this guy isn't an upgrade on Ware and I don't see him as a complement to Ware either. He's just a guy that can share the workload with Ware and in the process give you a very similar level of production. Perhaps that's their thought; give Ware help and he won't hit that wall that he hit last season.

[BossChief]

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...atistics/2016/

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And only Bell is a genuine breakaway threat.

Again - my issue isn't that Hunt is a bad player, it's that he's a redundant one. Howard and Ajay are seen as bangers (and let's pump the brakes a bit on Ajayi, he was being seen as a bust and was inactive in game 1 until he got force-fed the football; he's a volume producer). LaGarrette Blount is genuinely sloooooooow.

Spencer Ware and Kareem Hunt are just very similar players. Now if this is a sign that they intend to move on from Ware after this season, then so be it. I'd have no problem not giving Ware a long-term contract with his running style.

But this guy isn't an upgrade on Ware and I don't see him as a complement to Ware either. He's just a guy that can share the workload with Ware and in the process give you a very similar level of production. Perhaps that's their thought; give Ware help and he won't hit that wall that he hit last season.

That's exactly what I think it is. They can swap Ware and Hunt out and they don't have to change the offense or give anything away.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Ware averaged more than 5ypc the year before, though...when Alex wasn't scared and was attacking defenses with his legs more.

I can't wait to see this offense when Mahomes takes over.

PM2 and KHunt are going to be fun to watch.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And only Bell is a genuine breakaway threat.

Again - my issue isn't that Hunt is a bad player, it's that he's a redundant one. Howard and Ajay are seen as bangers (and let's pump the brakes a bit on Ajayi, he was being seen as a bust and was inactive in game 1 until he got force-fed the football; he's a volume producer). LaGarrette Blount is genuinely sloooooooow.

Spencer Ware and Kareem Hunt are just very similar players. Now if this is a sign that they intend to move on from Ware after this season, then so be it. I'd have no problem not giving Ware a long-term contract with his running style.

But this guy isn't an upgrade on Ware and I don't see him as a complement to Ware either. He's just a guy that can share the workload with Ware and in the process give you a very similar level of production. Perhaps that's their thought; give Ware help and he won't hit that wall that he hit last season.

Just so you know , andy Reid is a big fan of Ware and his style

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If they took Hunt because they see him as similar to Ware, I think that is brilliant. I never understood the whole 'Thunder and Lightning' thing all that much.

If you have two completely different backs, you are automatically tipping your hand a bit. There are going to be clear tendencies to which plays you use for each kind of back at some point in the season.

But, if you have a group of guys who are similar, you can stay consistent in your playcalls and keep each player as fresh as possible throughout the game/season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If they took Hunt because they see him as similar to Ware, I think that is brilliant. I never understood the whole 'Thunder and Lightning' thing all that much.

If you have two completely different backs, you are automatically tipping your hand a bit. There are going to be clear tendencies to which plays you use for each kind of back at some point in the season.

But, if you have a group of guys who are similar, you can stay consistent in your playcalls and keep each player as fresh as possible throughout the game/season.

Nah, you just use them at different points or different situations. For instance, you can use your 'heavy' back early in games to soften up defenses in the hopes of using your quick back late to bust one when their legs are heavy. Or you can use your quick back earlier if you're facing a deficit and need to get the ball in the air and/or have more quick-strike capability on the ground.

If you're trying to salt away a lead, you may want the power back in there.

Obviously the best case scenario is a back that does everything well; can break off a big one AND make guys tired of hitting them. But those are increasingly rare breeds these days so instead you tactically deploy guys with different skill sets. It's cheaper (guys with less complete games get paid less) and in a lot of ways its more effective.

You don't switch up mid-drive because it's time to throw a pass. Obviously that would be telegraphing. But from a more macro-view, there are ways you can deploy guys with different skills that it gets you the best of both worlds.

[Best22]

I never thought Bell was a true "breakaway" threat. He's good at getting "chunk" yards, which is really all you can ask of a runningback. Breakaway speed is not Bell's strength. Devonta Freeman is more of a home run threat.

[ct]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He's a clone of Martin with less speed and more physicality.

He lost a ton of weight (stupid) to try and improve his 40 time and it pretty much stayed the same as when he was 225.

I say bulk him back up and let him do what he does.

thought i saw a 4.47 at his pro day, am i crazy?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by ct

thought i saw a 4.47 at his pro day, am i crazy?

Chesson?

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

The thing I like about this pick is that although Hunt is far from fast he's extremely hard to bring down. The NFL has completely gone away from good tackling fundamentals, and arm tackles and cutting have become the new standard (except in Seattle). This kid is going to rack up a ton of yards after contact. He just won't outrun many people to the goal line.

Chiefs fans need to switch their thinking...we are used to big plays via a run & now the big plays will be by the pass.


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