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Han, after maturing and becoming more of a selfless person for no reason changes and becomes a deadbeat-dad. Even after TFA Finn (for reasons unknown) goes back to being a coward at the start of TLJ. Poe goes from being Top Gun to an impulsive buffoon and honestly, treasonous. There isn't a single male in this film that's redeemable. On the other hand Leia is now Ms. Marvel, Mary Sue is Mary Sue, and we get PETA adds and Hippie nonsense during the climax of the film. All the while glaring failures of logic like gravity in space, two characters 50 yards from an overwhelming force who never get shot at once, Ray somehow transports from Snoke's throne room to the Falcon WITH NO EXPLANATION, and for some reason Yoda acting like he did when he was trolling Luke in Empire. And what's really frustrating is politics being forced into SW's and when it's noticed it's the fans that get blamed for projecting. Quote:
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What Kennedy doesn't get is SW's isn't about our world - it's about THAT galaxy.
In that galaxy you can travel at light speed or be sold into slavery. You can be a ****ing orangutan and fly a starship. It's not progressive or conservative - it's completely different...
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It wasn't subtle. I could go into great detail just based on what I picked up by osmosis rather than analysis. I'm not the only one. There's plenty of articles from progressive sites telling you all the reasons this is the most progressive/feminist/woke Star Wars movie yet. It was about as subtle as Forrest Gump and it's right wing message. I loathe the underlying message of Forrest Gump (thump your bible, do as your told, and everything works out), but I love the film. I didn't like this movie for reasons exclusively movie related. Last edited by WhiteWhale; 12-25-2017 at 10:53 AM.. |
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Darth Vader murdered hundreds of billions of people with super weapons and probably personally killed thousands if not millions with his own hands/force powers. Luke threw down his weapon rather than kill him. Vader was already FAR worse than Hitler, he blew up planets as an intimidation tactic, but Luke thought he could save him because he had a sliver of good in him. Now he'll act on fear and try to murder his sleeping nephew because of something he MIGHT do? What he MIGHT do makes him so irredeemable that he's gonna kill him... in his SLEEP?! I'm not Luke Skywalker. This isn't about what I would do. It's about following what you've established as a character, and in my eyes (and in the eyes of many fans) this movie absolutely botches it. It goes 100% against what has been established. Last edited by WhiteWhale; 12-25-2017 at 11:07 AM.. |
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No, it hasn't.
It's been explained away - but none of this shit makes any sense. The film was a purposeful fire in a dumpster to purge the original characters other than Rey and (I'm assuming her new guru) Leia. I'm fine with a female lead. It didn't stop me from loving Alien/s or Fringe (God bless Anna Torv.) That said it needs a good story and these two films have ruined what came before while giving nothing new. What, leaving The Last Jedi, did you take away as "the moral of the story?" What did it say to you? What was the message you were left with after seeing it?
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No.
As I said, what I would do is not relevant. I'm a real person, I'm not an established fictional character named Luke Skywalker. I explained that. Did you just not read the part you omitted? You can like Luke the Coward. I don't. Last edited by WhiteWhale; 12-25-2017 at 12:15 PM.. |
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I thought his response perfectly pointed out that your equating of Ren to Hitler was flawed, and that we had already seen Luke NOT make the decision to "kill Hitler" when he was vulnerable. No further answer required.
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It's weird. If Luke isn't an established character then this conversation doesn't happen... but he is, and here we are. |
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A healthy $32 million domestic on Christmas day.
Rogue one did $25 million. TFW did $49 million. TLJ is going to be just fine.
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Are you really arguing the ethics of Luke “lighting his lightsaber” when he was responsible for the deaths of over 300,000 mothers, fathers, innocent contractors and good people in the Death Star? Are we just choosing to gloss over that fact now? So why did Luke decide to commit one of the biggest genocides ever? (His kill count is behind Tarkin, but more than his father). He did it for the greater good, because he knew killing this amount of people would ultimately save more - a decision he weighed but ultimately didn't make with Ren. Luke’s decision to ignite his lightsaber game at a moment of weakness, similar to when he tried to kill his father in ESB, and when he lopped his arm off in Jedi. The fact is, failure and these massive mental lapses are a major part of Luke’s character. But if claiming that igniting his lightsaber ruins his character helps justify your stance on TLJ, that’s fine, but we’re going to disagree. An established character who's responsible for the deaths of almost half a million people, if anything, Luke is much more likely to end Hitler than you would be. Last edited by Chiefspants; 12-25-2017 at 06:22 PM.. |
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Half a million? Oh, you mean the people piloting an active super-weapon of mass murder? Vader was Hitler X 1,000,000, and Luke didn't end him when given the chance. You're desperately trying to make this about me for some bizarre reason. Knock it off. You're getting pretty salty and not thinking clearly. Stopping a super weapon that kills billions isn't the same as murdering a sleeping child, and the closest thing he has to a living descendant, for something he might do. Get over it. I didn't like it, and your arguments against my reasons are falling flat. I'm not trying to convince you to hate it. Last edited by WhiteWhale; 12-25-2017 at 05:07 PM.. |
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