Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[Balto]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Cards have a ton of cap space and are basically in a tank year. They should offer to eat alot of the deal and try to get the highest pick they can.

I agree and maybe even offer to give him an extension prior to the trade with heavy signing bonus that would stay with them after the trade. Could get much better compensation

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Balto

I agree and maybe even offer to give him an extension prior to the trade with heavy signing bonus that would stay with them after the trade. Could get much better compensation

Thats what I was saying. Keep the contract total numbers but make it a 3 year deal.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

There is nothing that makes more sense for DHop or KC than for him to come to KC.

Its literally a win/win situation, why it has to be difficult I don't understand.

I know. My posts this am sprout from that feeling. If its really that cheap now with draft picks, He says he'll rework the contract. Just make it a 3 year deal. Call a press conference.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think you just continue throwing draft picks at the WR spot yearly pretty much. Maybe not always a first or second obviously, but it's just cheaper to keep drafting them.

I am fine with that approach but If we want to go that route we could really use a bandaid. I used to think DHop was that guy but it’s sounding like maybe he doesn’t even want to be. If not, we have to consider guys like Corey Davis and we can’t be perfectionists. We just need a guy to fill in a year or 2 and won’t light the room on fire on the way out.

But we have to have that come to Jesus moment where we go big on WR in the draft instead of filling roles. Because that’s what mecole and skyy felt like. They never really felt like true WR1s. Mecole was a speed guy and skyy felt like an adjustment pick to our new efficient offense. Veach seems at his best with his back to the wall. We ****ed around for years at OL. It took a Super Bowl embarrassment to have a stellar OL draft the next year. We slashed our entire DB room then pieced together a timely stellar DB draft. We need to do that with WR, we must hit on these picks, and we gotta let them contribute early.

[Rainbarrel]

He's amazing
Their QB needs all the help he can get
They have plenty of cap space
He is not a problem child
They'll work out a friendly deal
?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I am fine with that approach but If we want to go that route we could really use a bandaid. I used to think DHop was that guy but it’s sounding like maybe he doesn’t even want to be. If not, we have to consider guys like Corey Davis and we can’t be perfectionists. We just need a guy to fill in a year or 2 and won’t light the room on fire on the way out.

But we have to have that come to Jesus moment where we go big on WR in the draft instead of filling roles. Because that’s what mecole and skyy felt like. They never really felt like true WR1s. Mecole was a speed guy and skyy felt like an adjustment pick to our new efficient offense. Veach seems at his best with his back to the wall. We ****ed around for years at OL. It took a Super Bowl embarrassment to have a stellar OL draft the next year. We slashed our entire DB room then pieced together a timely stellar DB draft. We need to do that with WR, we must hit on these picks, and we gotta let them contribute early.

Keep drafting guys with traits and if you hit on one that develops into a top flight guy, great.

[Sure-Oz]

https://twitter.com/TheBillsGuys/sta...fjpiZgqVQ&s=19
Bills look to be the leaders so far for hop but chiefs are still in pursuit

[BleedingRed]

Bills are not going to do it.....They just want to try to **** us

[oldman]

He'll be 31 by the time the season starts. No matter how good he is/WAS, you don't back up the Brink's truck for a 31 year old WR. He's owed (base salary) $34.365M over the next 2 years. Now if he makes that base salary into a 3 year deal and we have to give up ONLY a 4th, groovy. Anything else is paying for a name and that's foolish.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by oldman

He'll be 31 by the time the season starts. No matter how good he is/WAS, you don't back up the Brink's truck for a 31 year old WR. He's owed (base salary) $34.365M over the next 2 years. Now if he makes that base salary into a 3 year deal and we have to give up ONLY a 4th, groovy. Anything else is paying for a name and that's foolish.

17 million per year for a guy of his skill level is a pretty good deal. Now you do have to worry that he hits a physical wall, so there is that.

Ideally, you would add a void year so you could stretch out and bring his initial year down, then if he smashes it here, you could approach about a new deal (or trade him and get some value back).

I would also be curious that if we were to say, give them our 2nd rounder, if the Cards would be willing to eat a bunch of his base salary somehow.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Bills are not going to do it.....They just want to try to **** us

If you are sure that is what they are doing, then call their bluff and step out. See what ARI and BUF do then. If ARI comes back to the table with you, then it was a bluff. If it isn't, you were going to overpay any way.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by oldman

He'll be 31 by the time the season starts. No matter how good he is/WAS, you don't back up the Brink's truck for a 31 year old WR. He's owed (base salary) $34.365M over the next 2 years. Now if he makes that base salary into a 3 year deal and we have to give up ONLY a 4th, groovy. Anything else is paying for a name and that's foolish.

But we also have to understand that you pay more sometimes for the flexibility to get out when you want to. A short term deal at $20m per year is way less damaging than $15m/year over 5 years where you get stuck with dead cap. Overpaying doesn’t bother me too much. The chiefs have been very successful over the years at doing this, then flipping to a draft pick as soon as they could. Remember that before there was a Travis kelce and Chris jones, we overpaid for guys like fasano and Devito. Damien Wilson was a quick but useful stopgap even if overpaid until we found Bolton and gay organically.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keep drafting guys with traits and if you hit on one that develops into a top flight guy, great.

We have to start also focusing on guys with the upside to be a WR1. That’s where we’ve failed. And that means accepting that there will be some boom/bust. If you want a speed guy, guys like mecole and Parris signed for peanuts. If you want a possession guy, juju signed for almost nothing. So it’s gotta be a little of both. We’ve tried the path of finding role guys and it’s a big reason why we’re left with a WR hole.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by O.city

17 million per year for a guy of his skill level is a pretty good deal.
I would also be curious that if we were to say, give them our 2nd rounder, if the Cards would be willing to eat a bunch of his base salary somehow.

If he was still in his mid-20s, sure. But he's not. We have about $8.3M cap space left and we'll need most of that to sign our draft class (10 picks at $705K, not counting signing bonuses). Sure enough, the Jones Savings and Loan extension will help, but the bottom line is we don't have a pile of cash to throw at him. Certainly not the $19+M he's owed this year.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Remember that before there was a Travis kelce and Chris jones, we overpaid for guys like fasano and Devito. Damien Wilson was a quick but useful stopgap even if overpaid until we found Bolton and gay organically.

Brett Veach doesn't overpay.