*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[rico]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Chris Simms talks about Mahomes and the Chiefs in this podcast. Starts around the 2:10 mark. ----> http://da.radio.cbssports.com/2017/0...t-chris-simms/

I really love Simms. All the time I find his takes lining up with mine. He basically says everything that many of us have said for months on here. Guys like me who love Pat, and guys like Tigger who love Alex should all listen to this. The guy knows what he is talking about.

Here is some dialogue:

Spoiler!

“Listen, the first guy I ever did a video on before the Combine was Patrick Mahomes – and I got a lot of flak, too,” the Bleacher Report NFL insider and NFL Draft analyst said on CBS Sports Radio’s The DA Show. “It’s funny. I had NFL front offices going, ‘Patrick Mahomes? You really think he could be the best quarterback in the Draft?’”

Yes, Simms did. That’s what happens when a guy throws for nearly 10,000 yards and accounts for 99 touchdowns (77 passing, 22 rushing) in two seasons.

“Patrick Mahomes, to me, everything you’re concerned about is only Texas Tech,” Simms said. “This is not a system quarterback from Texas Tech. He made the system. He is special, this kid, in my eyes. He’s the best arm we’ve seen in the Draft since a Cam Newton or an Aaron Rodgers. He can sling it everywhere from any which angle. He can create plays with his legs. I really look at him and go, ‘He could be Aaron Rodgers (or) Brett Favre-esque.’ It doesn’t matter what offense you put him in. The kid can play. He’s a good kid, we know that. He’s going to work hard. Everybody says that to me as well around the NFL. He’s just going to have a little bit of a learning curve because of that offense in Texas Tech. But it’s not a big deal anymore. This is what we’re going to talk about with every quarterback every year. I don’t know why everybody is making such a big deal about Patrick Mahomes and the Texas Tech offense. But it was okay last year for Jared Goff in the same offense to be No. 1.”

“(The Chiefs) were my draft winner,” Simms said. “You really break down the Chiefs and you look at the roster and you go, ‘Man, they don’t really need much. They really don’t need anything.’ It was hard to find what kind of player would fit on their roster other than a middle linebacker. I think if they stayed put, maybe a Reuben Foster would have been in play because they certainly could use a little help at that position. But other than that, they’re a Super Bowl team for me. Really, if they had a quarterback that could just make some routine, consistent, down-the-field throws, they might have been in the Super Bowl last year – or at least in the AFC Championship Game against the Patriots.”

Instead, the Chiefs, who won 10 of their final 12 regular-season games, lost 18-16 to Pittsburgh in the first round of the playoffs.

“There were people wide open all game long in that divisional game against the Pittsburgh Steelers,” Simms said. “Alex Smith, he’s a smart guy, but he’s a game manager. He just does not make enough plays down the field (or) intermediate passes with his arm, I think, to take a team to the next level and move them into the Super Bowl or a championship game.”

at first I read this as something Phil Simms wrote and was confused, thinking, "man...this doesn't come off like Phil Simms."

Great find, great article!

[rico]

What are jeripugs?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

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Tiny hands. Bust QB! /Tigger

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

****ing beautiful

[tk13]

[In58men]

I'm ****ing stoked. Finally somebody that's not a hand-me-down. Chiefs have made me proud again.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

I'm ****ing stoked. Finally somebody that's not a hand-me-down. Chiefs have made me proud again.

It's good clean fun.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Bucky Brooks suggests people should temper expectations on 2018 QB class ----> http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...469-sf79486469

Spoiler!

During the run up to the 2017 NFL Draft, I heard several of my colleagues suggest that teams in need of a franchise quarterback should consider bypassing the top prospects in a "weak" quarterback class this year and focus on landing one of the crown jewels from a so-called "loaded" 2018 quarterback class.

While I thought such conversation dismissed the talent and potential of the likes of Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes and others at the position, I had heard so much about the next wave at the position that I couldn't wait to take a peek at the group when the draft concluded.

In fact, I was so excited about evaluating the next generation of field generals that I popped in some tape over the weekend to get a feel for this collection of quarterbacks that I had heard so much about throughout the offseason. After spending the weekend looking at the top prospects at the position, I would tell anyone within earshot to pump the brakes on the hype train that's making this collection of quarterbacks out to be game-changers at the position.

Now, that's not a complete dismissal of the long-term potential of the quarterback prospects in the upcoming class, but I believe the same questions and concerns that plagued the 2017 group can be applied to those who could be in the 2018 class. Whether it's concerns about their transition from a spread offense to a pro-style scheme or their overall experience and game-management abilities, the top prospects at the position have just as many warts on their respective games as their predecessors. There isn't a sure-fire franchise quarterback in the group and any suggestion otherwise is based on hype, not evaluation.

For instance, USC's Sam Darnold has been touted as the consensus choice as the top quarterback prospect heading into the fall. Observers have suggested that he has the best combination of size, arm talent, athleticism and intangibles that we've seen at the position in years. While the 6-foot-4, 225-pound playmaker certainly posted impressive production and flashed outstanding potential during his 10-game run last season as the team's starting quarterback, he isn't quite a polished passer who's ready to take the NFL by storm.

Sure, he compiled a strong completion rate (67.2 percent) and touchdown-to-interception ratio (31:9) last season, but he played in a catch-and-fire system similar to the schemes that were run by Trubisky and Davis Webb. The Trojans' offense features a number of quicks, screens, RPOs (run-pass options) and mesh concepts (layered crossing routes) that are staples in most spread or Air Raid systems. Thus, Darnold will need time to transition to the pro game, just like his predecessors.

He will also need to refine his footwork and fundamentals to become a more efficient passer from the pocket and show better deep-ball accuracy when he pushes the ball down the field. With Darnold showing a little recklessness with the ball, it's quite possible that his interception totals will swell during his second season as a starter (see the reports of his interceptions during spring ball).

I see why scouts are excited about Darnold's potential. He's a gritty competitor with big-game moxie and he's capable of shredding opponents as an anticipatory thrower. However, he isn't the finished product that some would have you believe. Thus, we should hold off on crowning him the NFL's next great quarterback.

The same could be said for UCLA's Josh Rosen. The 6-4, 218-pound junior is everything that coaches and scouts covet in a traditional pocket passer. Rosen can make every throw in the book with pinpoint placement and accuracy while also showing a feathery touch.

As a freshman in 2015, he wowed evaluators with his ability move defenders with his eyes before throwing receivers open between the numbers. Rosen played like a savvy veteran at the position and exhibited the qualities (arm talent, accuracy, poise and sound judgement) that most desire at the position. Yet, he enters the 2017 season with concerns about his arm strength/talent following a shoulder injury that prematurely ended his sophomore season (missed the Bruins' final six games, underwent shoulder surgery in November). In addition, scouts have concerns about his prickly personality and leadership skills based on interactions with teammates and coaches during his tenure.

Considering how medical issues and character concerns can affect final draft grades, Rosen also has a lot to prove before earning a franchise quarterback label.

Wyoming's Josh Allen has been touted as the biggest wild card of the group based on his A-plus arm talent, gunslinger mentality and experience directing a pro-style offense that produced a quality QB prospect a few years ago (see Carson Wentz).

Measuring 6-5, 222 pounds, Allen is the big, athletic quarterback that coaches and scouts salivate over during the pre-draft process. As a fastball pitcher with unlimited range and outstanding velocity, he can make tight-window throws without flinching. While some of those throws skew toward the "high-risk, high-reward" nature, the Cowboys' QB1 possesses the arm talent to pull it off in most instances. While that is certainly a positive aspect of his game, particularly in dire situations, Allen's tendency to "throw it up" without regard is also a huge concern. He tallied 15 interceptions during his first season as a starter, including seven picks during the team's final five games (1-4 record), which contributed to their late-season slide. Remember how much we discussed Watson's interception totals and Mahomes' gunslinging ways leading up to the draft this spring?

Allen also struggles with his accuracy and ball placement at times, as evidenced by his 56-percent completion rate, so the Wyoming gunslinger isn't the connect-the-dots passer that some teams prefer at the position. Although he still has time to refine his passing skills and master the management part of the game, Allen is more potential than production at this point.

With the other top prospects in college football (Washington State's Luke Falk, Oklahoma State's Mason Rudolph, Louisville's Lamar Jackson, Idaho's Matt Linehan, Pittsburgh's Max Browne and Auburn's Jarrett Stidham) also having a number of warts on their games, I think the next wave of QBs might not be the collection of crown jewels that I expected based on the hype. Let's see if that opinion changes after they take the field this fall.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by tk13

Not good , his eyes are only looking 5 yards downfield!

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hope Pat rocks the arm sleeve on his throwing arm like he did in college. Not many guys can pull that off and not look like a pussy (Carson Wentz), but it looks badass on Mahomes.

OK, Queer Eye for the NFL Guy. Now I know you guys are just trolling.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

OK, Queer Eye for the NFL Guy. Now I know you guys are just trolling.

Don't be sad sugar tits.

[Chiefaholic]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Nope, doesn't help. All I know is chefs fans are experts on sucky QBs. Broncos fans are experts on HoF QBs.

Which QB went to the HOF that the Broncos drafted?

[RealSNR]

I think Tombstone legitimately believes his team is entitled to sign a HOF QB every couple of years in free agency. Anyone else in his position would be pretty worried about shit****s like Trevor Jizz and Paxton Lynch running the show

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hope Pat rocks the arm sleeve on his throwing arm like he did in college. Not many guys can pull that off and not look like a pussy (Carson Wentz), but it looks badass on Mahomes.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

OK, Queer Eye for the NFL Guy. Now I know you guys are just trolling.

ing Mahomes in the *****The Patrick Mahomes Thread***** is trolling got it.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by RunKC

"He can throw a ball through a car wash and it won't even get wet. He's one of those guys, arm strength-wise is off the charts".

-Donovan McNabb

Ohh!!