RB has an argument for being our biggest team need - Page 17

RunKC · 01-20-2025, 01:22 PM

Man it’s bad. Like really bad. Really really really bad.

The Chiefs have the least explosive RB room in the NFL. Only 17 explosive plays from RB’s. Pacheco is the most explosive guy, and he’s been a good soldier here, but he’s not the guy. Excellent change of pace back, but his vision is bad and his lateral agility isn’t good either.

I love Kareem but he’s winding down. He’s 30 next year and you could see the wheels start to come off with usage.

I think we should consider a RB rd 1 if the board gets dicey, but ideally we sign someone like Ty Johnson from Buffalo. Also to preface this I think LT is numero uno for us and this is a scenario where one is just not attainable.

Everyone gets so mad at this offense and blames coaching but the pieces have just not been there. The truth is this team badly misses Jerrick McKinnon. They’ve gotten some of that from Perine but it’s just not enough.

We got 1 TD from a RB in the passing game this year. Compare that to:

2023: 7
2022: 12
2021: 5

Major major drop in production there that has killed the offense. I see these playoff teams with quality backs and it’s helped them tremendously.

Getting an explosive, dynamic playmaking RB has to be a major priority. It could change the entire offense and help soften the blow of losing Kelce (eventually) and working on LT

smithandrew051 · 03-21-2025, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I want someone that can legitimately threaten the edge when when we utilize outside zone.

I want someone that makes the DBs run conscious. They just don't have to give a shit at ALL against the run because they have all day to react to a handoff. They don't have to bite on play-actions because...who gives a shit? Stay in your drop-back an extra step. Get extra depth. At worst, it turns a 3 yard gain into a 4 yard gain because nobody's hitting the 2nd level and putting you under pressure.

The LBs don't have to worry about the edges either so they can crash the middle.

We have nobody that can threaten the edge and force CBs to at least respect the running game. It makes things quite a bit easier for those defensive backfield.

If I had any faith that Mitchell could handle even 100 touches without breaking, I'd be a little less concerned. I don't.

I just think we need someone that can pressure the defensive backfield.

Agree.

It’s basically the opposite of what we had with Jamaal. Loaded boxes constantly because no one respected Alex Smith’a ability to throw it downfield.

Now, teams have no reason to fear our backs. Even nice 8-15 yard runs with these guys should be 20+ yard runs if we had a back with burst.

It’d be nice to see a big play or two out of the run game again.

**SAGA45** · 03-21-2025, 06:26 PM

I'd take Judkins amongst RB's projected early. Size, burst, violence & hate, quickness, decent receiver, and speed to house one at any given time. Other than Jeanty, Judkins' film pops the most out of the top five or so RB options, in my opinion.

kccrow · 03-21-2025, 08:05 PM

I lie more in the DJ camp of what I want to see from a runner. I just don't think that guy has to A) be a 4.3 runner nor B) be a high draft pick.

We were able to threaten with guys like Kareem Hunt in his prime, Damien Williams and Spencer Ware. Two of those 3 run 4.6.

I think it's more about vision, decisiveness, and initial burst going N/S when they hit that edge or that crease.

I think Woody Marks from USC is an excellent fit for this offense but he doesn't get brought up much because he's a mid 4.5's guy.

staylor26 · 03-22-2025, 11:28 AM

Henderson in pass pro:

https://x.com/noflagsfilm/status/190...356911253?s=46

**SAGA45** · 03-22-2025, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Henderson in pass pro:

https://x.com/noflagsfilm/status/190...356911253?s=46

I love how he sets like an OL. That's just f**kin awesome! That's an every-down back IMO.

staylor26 · 03-22-2025, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45

I love how he sets like an OL. That's just f**kin awesome! That's an every-down back IMO.

Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if he's the pick at 31, because he can play right away.

**SAGA45** · 03-22-2025, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if he's the pick at 31, because he can play right away.

The collisions between him and a blitzing Derwin James would be must-see TV 2x a year.

kccrow · 03-22-2025, 02:00 PM

Ever since I did my last round 1 mock I kept thinking about Henderson. When Jahmyr Gibbs came out, he had virtually the same grade as Henderson. He was considered a very late 1 but probably a high day 2 pick all through the process. Then right at the end, we saw this meteoric rise up the charts and he went 12th overall.

And... I can't help but feel the exact same way right now about Henderson. Unless Loveland makes it to 20, I don't think Henderson is making it past Denver. And that will undoubtedly suck a lot of ass. And then new guy goes and does exactly this in the CP Mock and I almost shit myself.

Hell, if Jeanty goes before the Bears at 10, I wouldn't necessarily rule out Johnson slamming the table to get this guy to be his new Gibbs.

I think he's going way earlier than current projections.

I also feel the same way about one of his teammates in J.T. Tuimoloau. I think he's going in round 1 and ahead of Nic Scourton, but that's another talk.

**SAGA45** · 03-22-2025, 06:22 PM

More pass pro from Hampton, Ollie Gordon and Kyle "My Guy" Monangai...

Kyle Monangai pass pro gets me fired up pic.twitter.com/OO2OjWBIJO
— James Foster (@NoFlagsFilm) March 12, 2025

Omarion Hampton pass pro 💪 pic.twitter.com/lSfvn9hzAE
— James Foster (@NoFlagsFilm) March 20, 2025

Ollie Gordon pass pro gets me fired up pic.twitter.com/mc2favAenc
— James Foster (@NoFlagsFilm) March 13, 2025

RunKC · 03-22-2025, 06:24 PM

Kid is really good. I am a big fan

Every Kansas State RB DJ Giddens breakaway run 15+yard from 2024 #NFLDraft2025 pic.twitter.com/D7FAmXl6Vx
— Ray G (@RayGQue) March 7, 2025

Couch-Potato · 03-22-2025, 07:15 PM

There’s so many good RB’s in this class I wish we could take two!

Couch-Potato · 03-22-2025, 07:27 PM

If Jeanty had a freak accident before the draft, say something pretty serious like an ACL tear, and he fell to us… would you take him knowing he wouldn’t play at all next season and without certainty he’d be the same?

smithandrew051 · 03-22-2025, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

If Jeanty had a freak accident before the draft, say something pretty serious like an ACL tear, and he fell to us… would you take him knowing he wouldn’t play at all next season and without certainty he’d be the same?

Pass in that scenario. Need a guy who can help immediately.

Semichief · 03-23-2025, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

If Jeanty had a freak accident before the draft, say something pretty serious like an ACL tear, and he fell to us… would you take him knowing he wouldn’t play at all next season and without certainty he’d be the same?

It’s a great thought experiment. It basically nets out to: would we trade the 31st pick in this year’s draft for the 10th pick in next year’s draft AND it has to be a RB? The answer to that, I think is yes. Especially since we have the extra 3rd rounder this year and no obvious holes in the starting lineup.

smithandrew051 · 03-23-2025, 08:17 AM

The only position I think the Chiefs can consider a “redshirt” player at 31 is LT.

01-20-2025, 01:22 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1360389	RB has an argument for being our biggest team need Man it’s bad. Like really bad. Really really really bad. The Chiefs have the least explosive RB room in the NFL. Only 17 explosive plays from RB’s. Pacheco is the most explosive guy, and he’s been a good soldier here, but he’s not the guy. Excellent change of pace back, but his vision is bad and his lateral agility isn’t good either. I love Kareem but he’s winding down. He’s 30 next year and you could see the wheels start to come off with usage. I think we should consider a RB rd 1 if the board gets dicey, but ideally we sign someone like Ty Johnson from Buffalo. Also to preface this I think LT is numero uno for us and this is a scenario where one is just not attainable. Everyone gets so mad at this offense and blames coaching but the pieces have just not been there. The truth is this team badly misses Jerrick McKinnon. They’ve gotten some of that from Perine but it’s just not enough. We got 1 TD from a RB in the passing game this year. Compare that to: 2023: 7 2022: 12 2021: 5 Major major drop in production there that has killed the offense. I see these playoff teams with quality backs and it’s helped them tremendously. Getting an explosive, dynamic playmaking RB has to be a major priority. It could change the entire offense and help soften the blow of losing Kelce (eventually) and working on LT
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03-21-2025, 06:26 PM	#242
SAGA45 Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Compton, CA Casino cash: $2274955	I'd take Judkins amongst RB's projected early. Size, burst, violence & hate, quickness, decent receiver, and speed to house one at any given time. Other than Jeanty, Judkins' film pops the most out of the top five or so RB options, in my opinion.
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03-21-2025, 08:05 PM	#243
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1010000	I lie more in the DJ camp of what I want to see from a runner. I just don't think that guy has to A) be a 4.3 runner nor B) be a high draft pick. We were able to threaten with guys like Kareem Hunt in his prime, Damien Williams and Spencer Ware. Two of those 3 run 4.6. I think it's more about vision, decisiveness, and initial burst going N/S when they hit that edge or that crease. I think Woody Marks from USC is an excellent fit for this offense but he doesn't get brought up much because he's a mid 4.5's guy.
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03-22-2025, 11:28 AM	#244
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03-22-2025, 02:00 PM	#248
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1010000	Ever since I did my last round 1 mock I kept thinking about Henderson. When Jahmyr Gibbs came out, he had virtually the same grade as Henderson. He was considered a very late 1 but probably a high day 2 pick all through the process. Then right at the end, we saw this meteoric rise up the charts and he went 12th overall. And... I can't help but feel the exact same way right now about Henderson. Unless Loveland makes it to 20, I don't think Henderson is making it past Denver. And that will undoubtedly suck a lot of ass. And then new guy goes and does exactly this in the CP Mock and I almost shit myself. Hell, if Jeanty goes before the Bears at 10, I wouldn't necessarily rule out Johnson slamming the table to get this guy to be his new Gibbs. I think he's going way earlier than current projections. I also feel the same way about one of his teammates in J.T. Tuimoloau. I think he's going in round 1 and ahead of Nic Scourton, but that's another talk.
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03-22-2025, 06:22 PM	#249
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03-22-2025, 06:24 PM	#250
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03-22-2025, 07:15 PM	#251
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03-22-2025, 07:27 PM	#252
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $323065	If Jeanty had a freak accident before the draft, say something pretty serious like an ACL tear, and he fell to us… would you take him knowing he wouldn’t play at all next season and without certainty he’d be the same?
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03-23-2025, 08:17 AM	#255
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