The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[Hark Clunt]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

How many good years does Jones have left, including this year? 2-3?

this is exactly why he's trying to get what he can now. at his age it's even possible to see a slight decline this year, although i certainly hope that doesn't happen.

i think the best course of action is to pay him. try to strike iron while it's hot and win back-to-back SBs. if you lose someone down the line because of it, that's just one of those decisions a team has to live if they're gonna chase rings.

[suzzer99]

And it's also why the Chiefs have the leverage. If he doesn't come down enough, they're sort of ok with getting one more great year out of him then letting him get paid elsewhere.

The 49ers and Pats stayed great for a long time by never shelling out for that big third contract.

That said I really hope they can reach one with Jones. I trust in Vorch not to pull a Dorsey.

[old_geezer]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think you're keeping all 4 of those guys even if Jones is traded.

Creed and Bolton are the keepers. If they trade Jones I expect they would keep Sneed.

I know guards are supposedly easy to replace but I would rather keep Smith than Sneed. Our DB situation looks pretty solid and I am in love with the play and attitude of Smith. Protecting Mahomes comes first for me.

[kcgreene]

To me, if 30M AAV is truly his number, I think we have to ask ourselves "Is Chris Jones the best defensive player in the NFL not named Aaron Donald?" Not best Defensive Tackle, best defensive player.

He'll be making 2M AAV more than T.J. Watt, who's new deal was just 2 years ago (and who is much younger). 5M AAV more than Myles Garrett (who has a consistently much higher sack total than CJ95, is better against the run, and also younger)

We have a tendency to act like CJ95 is in double digit sacks every year, but that's not really the case (This is not to say that play is only measured by sacks, only to hopefully help people realize.). He's only had 2 Double Digit sack seasons (2018 w/ 15.5 and 2022 w/ 15.5; the other seasons he has 9, 7.5, 9, 6.5, and 2 his rookie year). This is not to say that is the only criteria for which he effects the game, but it is one stat of many.

The reason I bring this up is because there are players who have been paid recently who he isn't just beating out with this contract, he's jumping 20% higher.

We succeed because of the team that Veach and Andy build around Mahomes. And at 30M AAV, the question of whether that money is best used on making the 2nd highest paid defensive player in football is a legitimate one.

Overpaying players is not the way that we can continue success in terms of longevity.

EDIT: Just hit me, his two 15.5 sack season were both the years that extension talks should happen that offseason. Not saying that he's a slacker or anything, but just a curiousity.

[O.city]

I'd guess we're at "show up, play out season then go from there" time.

I guess I'm off with this thought, but I just don't like getting into these things. Ideally, now, they'd have just traded him before the draft and FA and moved on.

[Chief Roundup]

Come on fellas Jones will be here this year barring injury. Next year is what is in doubt.

[O.city]

I just hate all the distractions. It seems a bit sloppy.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

EDIT: Just hit me, his two 15.5 sack season were both the years that extension talks should happen that offseason. Not saying that he's a slacker or anything, but just a curiousity.

You are correct, he was noticeably better in contract years, that usually isn't a coincidence. Not saying he wasn't good outside of those years, but he certainly wasn't as good, and I think most people would agree with that.

I don't think Jones is the kind of guy who phones it in after being paid, but I think there is a noticeable difference. This is a very difficult decision for the Chiefs. If $30 million is honestly where he is and he won't budge, damn man, I just don't know if I could do it.

[RunKC]

"Nate Taylor of The Athletic reported that the Chiefs have not been willing to give Jones $30 million per season on a new contract. Per Taylor, Jones wants a new deal that would make him "at least the second-highest-paid player at his position."

Work this bitch out and settle between 28 and 29.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by old_geezer

I know guards are supposedly easy to replace but I would rather keep Smith than Sneed. Our DB situation looks pretty solid and I am in love with the play and attitude of Smith. Protecting Mahomes comes first for me.

To me, it's "How many OL are you going to pay?"

I am all-in on paying Humphrey. They already paid Taylor. They are paying Thuney. I think that 3 guys is kind of the max you can pay top of market contracts for at the OL. To me, I think they need to pick between Smith and Humphrey, while trying to get a long-term solution at the other T spot opposite Taylor.

Ideal situation would be to pay Humphrey while drafting a young T to bookend with Taylor, that you then pay when moving on from Thuney.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by RunKC

"Nate Taylor of The Athletic reported that the Chiefs have not been willing to give Jones $30 million per season on a new contract. Per Taylor, Jones wants a new deal that would make him "at least the second-highest-paid player at his position."

Work this bitch out and settle between 28 and 29.

Considering Williams is at 2nd for DT with 24M AAV, I'd agree with someone else earlier who posted that Jones camp seems a bit disingenous by saying they want to be "at least the second highest paid player at his position" then wanting 30M AAV which is basically Aaron Donald money. I think plenty of us were content with 27M AAV which was right down the middle between 1st and 3rd for DT.

(That is unless Chris Jones considers EDGE part of his position too, in which case, 30M would be right in between 1st and 3rd.)

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

To me, it's "How many OL are you going to pay?"

I am all-in on paying Humphrey. They already paid Taylor. They are paying Thuney. I think that 3 guys is kind of the max you can pay top of market contracts for at the OL. To me, I think they need to pick between Smith and Humphrey, while trying to get a long-term solution at the other T spot opposite Taylor.

Ideal situation would be to pay Humphrey while drafting a young T to bookend with Taylor, that you then pay when moving on from Thuney.

Unless the plan is possibly to move on from Thuney and retain Trey... Thuney's contract is up in 25' at his age 33 season, and we can get out of it Saving 16M with the remaining 6.6 as dead money if we cut him in 25'. 24' is the last year of Trey's rookie deal. Also, I don't think Trey will get Thuney money, but serves his role very well.

[Mecca]

This is Jones last chance to really get paid because he's 30....so he's going to go for as much as possible. That also doesn't factor in that giving that deal to a dude that is 30 is how you end up way overpaying for his production. No one in their right mind should expect Chris Jones at 33 to be the player he was last year.

In short it's really hard for a team like the Chiefs to pay a 30 year old DT what Jones wants.

[Simply Red]

Billay just texted me a message telling me not to worry the last thing Chris Jones needs is an extension! Wink emoji wink emoji.
..so, not sure.

[Direckshun]

Being reported by someone I don't know that he wants $30m/year.